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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 10/19/2007 7:19:40 PM
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nvsteve
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Air intake solenoid?
You have an international model?
U.S. models have the wires but no solenoid.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 10/19/2007 7:32:53 PM
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My mistake, your correct. I thought that was reason motor pulled hard past 50% throttle, before i called V&H to tweek fuel pack
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 10/19/2007 8:12:34 PM
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Kingrich
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New Member, I see IDS mentioned.
A heads up on page or posting on description would be appreciated.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 10/20/2007 4:25:43 PM
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Hog Heaven
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Glens:
Yes I am taking the safe route and for $20+ thousand, I think it's a wise decision. I don't make a huge amount of money, so the money I do spend has to be wisely spent.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 10/24/2007 11:46:19 AM
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arsin46
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If you hear any more about the Softail IDS or Baker fix let us know.
Thanks
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 10/24/2007 8:14:25 PM
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I have a 2007 Street Glide with a6 speed 5000 miles mine is all good. JUST RIDE THE HELL OUT OF IT
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/2/2007 6:06:54 PM
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Dogdoc
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I am a happy camper! I got my IDS sprocket installed by the dealer and i have put about 600 miles on the bike since then. Here is my report. 5th gear: you can still hear some of the noise but this is much reduced. 6th gear: All noises gone! AND the vibration on the footboards is 80% reduced in All gears not just 6th gear. In my case the noise in sixth gear sounded like someone doing a drum roll with two ballpene hammers. The noise was at its worst when I was going 75 mph up any sort of incline. As the engine loaded up, the noise and the vibration would be deafening. This is all in the past. I would highly recommend this upgrade. Even if you dont have the noise problem. This makes the bike run so much more smoothly. I am a thrilled Harley owner again! Hope this helps
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/2/2007 6:56:12 PM
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A fairing is on the front of an Ultra. Fairing with windshield. Or a Bagger.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/3/2007 1:18:07 PM
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hnesitd1
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Here's something to think about. In all the posts that I've reviewed I couldn't find one credible post on just what is the cause of the so-called clatter (I think we're beyond describing it as gear-whine, don't you?). Now I know there are people out there with hard evidence on cause and result based on examing component wear, post rebuild, etc .....but ....... the silence is deafening, eh? The Motor Company knows for sure what is the cause, that is for sure. If they'd share the weatlh in a credible way we could determine if there is cause to be concerned or not! What is causing the noise?? Is it gear-lash, (the) compensator bottoming or (oh-momma!) the primary drive chain striking the casing. To this point we have a wealth of tuppence from everyone. Any engineer's out there or mechanics with depth?
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/3/2007 8:22:21 PM
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Dogdoc
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The noise I heard in 6th gear is Definately NOT gear clatter. Of course they know what is causing it! They added the IDS Sprocket to all 2008 cruisers and of course they do not have the problem. They released the IDS Sprocket ONLY for the 2007 bikes with the six speed. Hmm.... Did they do that because they knew that would solve the problem?? I just cant believe I paid 22k for a bike that had such a defective drive train! AND HD's total unwillingness to help.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/4/2007 3:52:18 AM
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Bellamacchina
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The MoCo changed some of the internals of the 08 trans. The entire input shaft was redesigned and features an 08 part number and the lock rings were modified. Combine these mods with the IDS and you have a quiet drivetrain. My 2008 was dead quiet for the fist 100 miles, too cold now.....
The cause of the rattle is definitely harmonics building up between the compensator, the primary chain and the internals of the transmission. The IDS basically interrupts the formation of harmonics by adding damping capabilities. Without the analytic capabilities of the MoCo or an advanced automotive engineering team you can discuss the probable root causes until the cows come home.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/4/2007 4:26:53 AM
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Dogdoc
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Well let me ask you this. How could have they not known about this when they released the 2007 model year! They had to have known that there was a major problem. I cant imagine this problem just snuck up on them! And why are they so reticent to admit there was a problem and to fix the problem! I had to shell out $450 because the Corporate line is that there "IS no problem" I was told by the dealer that the solution was to play your radio louder!!
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/4/2007 4:27:50 AM
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hnesitd1
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ORIGINAL: Bellamacchina
The MoCo changed some of the internals of the 08 trans. The entire input shaft was redesigned and features an 08 part number and the lock rings were modified. Combine these mods with the IDS and you have a quiet drivetrain. My 2008 was dead quiet for the fist 100 miles, too cold now.....
The cause of the rattle is definitely harmonics building up between the compensator, the primary chain and the internals of the transmission. The IDS basically interrupts the formation of harmonics by adding damping capabilities. Without the analytic capabilities of the MoCo or an advanced automotive engineering team you can discuss the probable root causes until the cows come home.
ref: "........... you can discuss the probable root cause until the cows come home."
So true ................ that's the problem, eh? I'd be curious to hear from those folks who have Baker-fix'd (F6F) whether they noticed any effects (of this hammering) on the original components. I daresay their opinion would count for a lot.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/4/2007 4:38:18 AM
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That's the question!
How to resolve a problem that never exists (says MOCO) ?
The MOCO can....... and you have to pay for.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/4/2007 4:56:08 AM
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Bellamacchina
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Two different issues, one as already described is purely technical, the other one is customer care. I think the MoCo has done a lousy job to communicate on the perceived problem through their dealer network . The dealers reacted to concerns from long term riders, and those are the ones that really noticed the difference, in a very different ways, all the way to being offensive to customers. This is the real problem the MoCo has to solve. Had they instructed their dealer to respond in a uniform way without exception, this whole keyboard war on the nuisances problem would have subsided rapidly.
The MoCo knew when they got the new 07 trans out that it would be different (remember the dealer letter) and they could have offered the IDS solution for everybody who complains a deep discount (e.g. own costs) and they would have been heroes in the affected customer's perception. For whatever reason they didn't do it that way.
If you believe that the grass is always greener on the other side, ride like I frequently do, bikes from other manufacturers. Ever heard a BMW 1200GT gearbox rattle or shifting noise? BMW says it's normal and they will fix bikes if anything shows up later in the lifecycle of the bike. In the meantime they quietly worked on the optimiztion of the gear box, the slack in the drive train and the modification of the ECM. Been on a Ducati with the dry clutch lately? I tell you when Ducati equipped a new line of bikes with a silent wet clutch, people started doing what? Yes, you nailed it, complaining about the loss of a Ducati specific noise feature. And let me tell you, it's way worse than the 5/6 clatter of the 07 HDs.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/4/2007 6:10:58 AM
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Dogdoc
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Well as far as the noises that other bikes make, that is not my concern. My concern is that I bought a Brand New Ultra from Harley (my third Harley) and When I took it for a 800 mile trip into New England, I had to stop using 6th gear on anything but flat road because the noise and the vibration was so intense that it was the only noise I could hear and vibrations felt like the bike was going to self destruct, I KNOW this is not normal. I dont care what they say! I can say for sure , and quite sadly, that this is my last Harley. I always grade a company on how it responds when things go wrong, not when things go right. And Harley Davidson gets failing grades.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/4/2007 8:13:17 AM
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When I took it for a 800 mile trip into New England, I had to stop using 6th gear on anything but flat road because the noise and the vibration was so intense that it was the only noise I could hear and vibrations felt like the bike was going to self destruct
You do know, don't you, that when you're in 6th "gear" you're completely bypassing the transmission? The power is going through the clutch to the main shaft and directly out to the drive belt. All of the 1st through 5th gearsets are merely freewheeling inside the box. Now I suppose it's possible for some noise to be produced by that situation, but having it produce vibration that can be felt over that of the engine doesn't seem likely to me. Maybe your primary chain or final belt were too loose, allowing slack to be built and snatched back away on a continual basis or something.
Wait; what's that I hear? Are the cows on their way back to the milking barn? :)
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/4/2007 8:23:27 AM
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Dogdoc
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Its not a transmission noise! I sounds like a power pulse going up the drive train and jerking the sprocket and making a tapping noise. It sounded like someone took two ballpene hammers and did a drum roll on the engine. I dont think the compensator was doing its job.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/5/2007 11:17:20 AM
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I've been lurking here for months.
I just traded in my 07 Dyna for a Road King Classic.
I love everything about it other than the tranny noise.
I don't care at all for the way the dealer, or MoCo treated me when I complained.
I think for the kind of money we all spent, we should not have this problem. Period.
I have done some initial investigation, and am curious. How many people have this problem?
Has anyone filed a class action suit against HD? If no suit has been made, how many of you are interested? This could have been much easier if HD would have been more proactive.
I just want my bike to ride smooth. I don't think that is asking too much.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/5/2007 11:38:53 AM
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Glyder
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Here...
Zanottis...... Part numbers,40287-07 and BI1200
Spend the $226.00 like the rest of us have had to......Or get the Elbow Grease promo from your dealer. Consider it part of the Harley tax just like you would for pipes,AC and some type of fuel management. HD's not gonna do anything. Elbow Grease is as close as you're gonna get from them.
Save yourself wasted time,headaches, worrying and bitchin and just do it.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/5/2007 2:03:47 PM
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hnesitd1
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I've been lurking here for months.
I just traded in my 07 Dyna for a Road King Classic.
I love everything about it other than the tranny noise.
I don't care at all for the way the dealer, or MoCo treated me when I complained.
I think for the kind of money we all spent, we should not have this problem. Period.
I have done some initial investigation, and am curious. How many people have this problem?
Has anyone filed a class action suit against HD? If no suit has been made, how many of you are interested? This could have been much easier if HD would have been more proactive.
I just want my bike to ride smooth. I don't think that is asking too much.
What would be the basis for your Class Action? Proof (evidence) would have to be provided that HD willfully and knowingly sold unsafe equipment (that resulted in injury).. This kind of proof would have to originate from inside the company ... a so-called whistle blower, eh? This kind of accusation raises the stakes a great deal and certainly casts the problem in a darker light. Anyway, we all sympathize with your feelings but let's face it, justice has to come from the buying (informed) public. This medium is a great example that is doing just that ... it works the other way to.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/5/2007 3:42:46 PM
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Dogdoc
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I would join in a class action suit in a second. They have put out a product that they knew was defective. They did the changes necessary to correct the problems in the '08s . But they refuse to fix the problems in the '07s. If they would JUST FREAKING admit they have a problem and show just a little interest in fixing it, this would satisfy me. It is not only the problem with the bikes that pisses me off, it is their stonewalling attitude that makes me more angry. Fess up to the problem and offer to help with the fix! I would have been happy with that. But the answer I got from the dealer is " Play the radio louder"
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/5/2007 3:46:39 PM
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I'VE BITCHED AS LOUD AS ANYONE ABOUT THE 5TH AND 6TH GEAR CHATTER, CLATTER IN MY 07 ROAD KING CLASSIC. BOUGHT THE I.D.S. AND IT SMOOTH THE BIKE OUT. CAN'T HEAR ANY NOISE FROM 5TH OR 6TH GEAR NOW. WHAT GETS MY GOAT NOW IS THAT WHEN I WAS GOING TO HAVE THE DEALER INSTALL THE THING THEY WAS GOING TO CHARGE 305 FOR THE IDS AND 140 FOR ONE AND A HALF HOUR LABOR AND THEY WOULD NOT SAY IT WOULD IMPROVE THE NOISE JUST THE RIDABLITY. NEVER SAID NOTHING ABOUT A MAINTENANCE SPECIAL EITHER. I JUST BOUGHT MINE FROM ZANOTTIS AND PUT IT ON MYSELF. 220.00
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/5/2007 7:52:59 PM
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glens
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They have put out a product that they knew was defective.
Defective how? It makes some noise you don't like? That constitutes a defect? I'm sorry, but I disagree. The stock brake pads often make noise and they always spew an unsightly dust all over my spokes and whitewalls. Does that make them defective merely because I don't like it? Negatory. If they didn't grab the rotors and haul my ass to a stop each and every time (both which they do with aplomb) then they would be defective. The tranny (more properly the powertrain as a whole) makes some un-Goldwing-like noise, but it works perfectly each and every time. It's not defective. Maybe it could be said it's not the best implementation that could have been released (though I have to say it suits me just fine), but that's not defect, even if 90% of the purchasers feel that way about it.
I may or may not IDS my RKC some time in the future, but it sure sounds to me like you must.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/6/2007 12:39:00 AM
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FM500
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They have put out a product that they knew was defective.
Defective how? It makes some noise you don't like? That constitutes a defect? I'm sorry, but I disagree. The stock brake pads often make noise and they always spew an unsightly dust all over my spokes and whitewalls. Does that make them defective merely because I don't like it? Negatory. If they didn't grab the rotors and haul my ass to a stop each and every time (both which they do with aplomb) then they would be defective. The tranny (more properly the powertrain as a whole) makes some un-Goldwing-like noise, but it works perfectly each and every time. It's not defective. Maybe it could be said it's not the best implementation that could have been released (though I have to say it suits me just fine), but that's not defect, even if 90% of the purchasers feel that way about it.
I may or may not IDS my RKC some time in the future, but it sure sounds to me like you must.
Yes!, you're right. It "works as designed".
And we all should remember this when we think about the next initial purchase. And we always should remember that HD is able to create an $ 300 solution for a non-existing Problem.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/6/2007 3:42:12 AM
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Dogdoc
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It wasnt just the noise that bothered me. Going 75 miles an hour in sixth up any sort of grade, even a slight grade. The vibration that occured with the deafening noise was so intense that I felt the bike would self destruct. I had to stop using sixth gear anywhere but on perfectly level roadway. That is NOT FREAKING NORMAL! With the IDS Sprocket, that vibration is virtually gone and the bike is much smoother in ALL gears not just fifth and sixth
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/6/2007 7:16:30 PM
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panheadache
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ORIGINAL: Bellamacchina
The MoCo changed some of the internals of the 08 trans. The entire input shaft was redesigned and features an 08 part number and the lock rings were modified. Combine these mods with the IDS and you have a quiet drivetrain. My 2008 was dead quiet for the fist 100 miles, too cold now.....
The cause of the rattle is definitely harmonics building up between the compensator, the primary chain and the internals of the transmission. The IDS basically interrupts the formation of harmonics by adding damping capabilities. Without the analytic capabilities of the MoCo or an advanced automotive engineering team you can discuss the probable root causes until the cows come home.
[sigh] Nope, not so. I put in the Baker F6F and it all went away. HD's Pakistani job-shopper engineer, Sahib, just screwed up 5th gear. It was all too loose and sloppy and rattling around in there. Plus the dog slots in the HD 5th gear pair are just HUGE, allowing rattling around as they go along for the ride in that stupid cheap crappy transmission design. Sahib just copied the tranny off his Chinese rickshaw's Belarussian gearbox and fouled it up. It's not the comp, chain, tensioner, lugging, or people not knowing how to ride. And it dang sure will not "go away as you put more miles on it" as the sorry good-for-nothing lying cheating low-life scumbags on the HD complaint line and their scheming insidious Judas blackheart dealers claim.
< Message edited by panheadache -- 11/6/2007 7:23:25 PM >
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/6/2007 7:32:03 PM
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panheadache
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They have put out a product that they knew was defective.
Defective how? It makes some noise you don't like? That constitutes a defect? I'm sorry, but I disagree. The stock brake pads often make noise and they always spew an unsightly dust all over my spokes and whitewalls. Does that make them defective merely because I don't like it? Negatory. If they didn't grab the rotors and haul my ass to a stop each and every time (both which they do with aplomb) then they would be defective. The tranny (more properly the powertrain as a whole) makes some un-Goldwing-like noise, but it works perfectly each and every time. It's not defective. Maybe it could be said it's not the best implementation that could have been released (though I have to say it suits me just fine), but that's not defect, even if 90% of the purchasers feel that way about it.
I may or may not IDS my RKC some time in the future, but it sure sounds to me like you must.
Dude, When you hear a siren do you feel the desire to stand up and march like a zombie towards Milwaukie to be fed to the Morlocks? That tranny is defective! If you had noise in your car like that and the the manufacturer acted like HD has in this matter, you would be fire-bombing the dealership as we speak.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/7/2007 3:40:36 AM
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Dogdoc
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AMEN!! to the last two quotes. If this was a car and it made the same noises and the vibration was so intense that you couldnt use the car in that gear AND the car dealer said this was normal, you could easily envoke the Lemon Law on this car and win. Unfortunately because motorcycles are considered "Recreational Vehicles" we do not have the chance to lemon law them and MoCo knows that!
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/7/2007 10:58:25 AM
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glens
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Dude, When you hear a siren do you feel the desire to stand up and march like a zombie towards Milwaukie to be fed to the Morlocks? That tranny is defective! If you had noise in your car like that and the the manufacturer acted like HD has in this matter, you would be fire-bombing the dealership as we speak.
I don't know what the hell you're talking about. My "tranny" (actually, it's not the transmission) makes a bit more noise than most all the other "Cruise Drive" bikes I've been around and it is most certainly and definitely not defective. You must either have had a hum-dinger or you're one picky SOB to have spent that kind of money just to quiet 5th gear a little.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/7/2007 1:31:57 PM
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Where were you guys a yr ago????Many sat around waiting for a fix/recall etc instead of banning together and grabbing the bull by the horns.If the NHTSA got as many complaints as this site has gotten,HD wouldve paid for this.Hd knew of this complaint but had no way dealing with it w/o more time,testing.Now they are making you pay for it,offering fall discounts only because this topic just wont die and the dealers can make an easy buck off of you.Its over,pay it or live with the noise.
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RE: 2007 Tranny problem! - 11/7/2007 3:04:29 PM
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hnesitd1
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ORIGINAL: Bellamacchina
The MoCo changed some of the internals of the 08 trans. The entire input shaft was redesigned and features an 08 part number and the lock rings were modified. Combine these mods with the IDS and you have a quiet drivetrain. My 2008 was dead quiet for the fist 100 miles, too cold now.....
The cause of the rattle is definitely harmonics building up between the compensator, the primary chain and the internals of the transmission. The IDS basically interrupts the formation of harmonics by adding damping capabilities. Without the analytic capabilities of the MoCo or an advanced automotive engineering team you can discuss the probable root causes until the cows come home.
[sigh] Nope, not so. I put in the Baker F6F and it all went away. HD's Pakistani job-shopper engineer, Sahib, just screwed up 5th gear. It was all too loose and sloppy and rattling around in there. Plus the dog slots in the HD 5th gear pair are just HUGE, allowing rattling around as they go along for the ride in that stupid cheap crappy transmission design. Sahib just copied the tranny off his Chinese rickshaw's Belarussian gearbox and fouled it up. It's not the comp, chain, tensioner, lugging, or people not knowing how to ride. And it dang sure | | |
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