RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice
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What Primary Oil is your Choice
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| HD primary oil #99887-84 (old style) |
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| Syn 3 |
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| Bel ray |
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| Rev tech |
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| Dyna cycle |
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| Redline |
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| Mobil 1 |
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| Doesn't matter |
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| other |
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Total Votes : 1180
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(last vote on : 5/20/2008 3:04:14 PM)
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 12/16/2006 10:40:55 AM
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xxxflhrci
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I use the old HD primary stuff. When I found out it was being discontinued, I bought a good supply of it. I use it out of superstition....I don't believe it takes much to lube the chain, clutch, and so on. I believe that about any oil would be fine. Although, I have an indy buddy that swears against using synth stuff in the primary, but that is another story. My superstition is based on the stator/rotor. I have heard a knowledeable indy or two come up with the theory that the wrong oil may be the cause of a some of the seemingly too frequent charging system failures out there. One theory is that the wrong oil breaks down the glue on the rotors magnets and causes them to fall off. I don't know, so don't shoot the messenger. The only think that I know is that my original charging system is 7 years old with 64k on it. I ain't taking any chances.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 12/16/2006 2:15:20 PM
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chester1957
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Current 07's use Formula + in tranny and primary.
I believe at 5,000 I'm going with vtwin mobil 20/50 in the engine, 75/90 mobil in the tranny, and formula + in the primary.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 1/3/2007 6:46:34 PM
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floridian46
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ive owned 10 harleys and put at least 20k miles on each. i put mobil 1...20-50 in all three holes and never had an issue...
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 1/4/2007 4:07:15 PM
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tbone52
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Thanks, Coolray.
I had decided to go with the MTL in the primary, Mobil 1 20w50 in engine and Redline Heavy Shockproof in the transmission.
I appreciate the reply.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 1/13/2007 3:19:40 PM
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ChromeJunkie
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Am currently using syn 3, as I still have a couple of quarts left over when I changed over to Mobil1. Will start using Mobil 1 v-twin when the syn 3 is gone.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 2/21/2007 8:59:55 AM
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rodmodder
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I plan to run a quart of Casrol Mercon V only becuase I have two quarts left over from when I changed my tranny fluid on my F-150. We'll see what happens.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 3/14/2007 8:25:17 AM
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tbone52
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I put Penzoil 10W40 in the primary because I think that's all it needs. This is based on researching this forum for information about primary fluids and asking a question about heat of the primary affecting the oil.
After researching this forum and many other oil testing websites that I got links to from this forum, I put Mobil 1 V-Twin in my bike Monday at 4200 miles.
The reason is more for availability over AMSOIL and Redline than any other. I found that these three oils were superior in tests to other oils. I would have put Redline 20W60 in the engine along with the Redline Shockproof that I put in my transmission if I had ordered the transmission lube but the Shockproof was given to me and I didn't have to order it.
I am certain that the synthetic oil in the engine will protect my engine vetter than dinosaur oil in the Louisiana summer heat that is on its way.
I am certain that the Redline Heavy Shockproof gear lube will perform the best in my transmission over dinosaur oil. I would have no problem putting Mobil 1 gear lube in the transmission or the AMSOIL but, as I said, the Redline was given to me.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 3/15/2007 10:31:33 AM
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I use 15w40 diesel oil in the primary. I use motorcraft, Shell, storebrand.etc...does not make any difference. It gets changed once a year only with typically 10,000 miles on it.
I have considered using ATF in the primary as I have several quarts of motorcraft in the shop. I can see ATF fine for the clutch, but I have wondered if if shortens the life of the primary chain/sprockets. I will probably try the ATF next time....
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 4/29/2007 7:06:55 PM
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Littleshack
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Mobil 1 20w50 engine, Redline Heavy Gear in Trans, and Formula + in Primary. Sometimes RevTech Prime
I was told NOT to use 10w40 or 20w50 inPrimary (NEVER).
Also the old fashion Primary oil (harley) Was eating threw something in thier so they Stopped making the stuff.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 5/3/2007 11:35:11 PM
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Littleshack
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Shack, Use any Good Quality, Motorcycle-Specific Primary oil. Type F ATF is good. We've had good luck with B&M Trik Shift, too. WE don't recommend
using Harley's Formula Plus or Syn3 as they are real 'sticky' when cold. We've tried all the quality aftermarket oils with good results. Thanks for your inquiry, Barnett's
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 5/23/2007 3:32:15 PM
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chzman
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AMSOIL 10w40... it says its wet clutch compatible, but who knows
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 5/23/2007 5:55:55 PM
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OneBlackFly
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Why not use 10W40 or 20W50 in primary? Which non H-D oil would you use?
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ORIGINAL: Littleshack
Mobil 1 20w50 engine, Redline Heavy Gear in Trans, and Formula + in Primary. Sometimes RevTech Prime
I was told NOT to use 10w40 or 20w50 inPrimary (NEVER).
Also the old fashion Primary oil (harley) Was eating threw something in thier so they Stopped making the stuff.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 5/23/2007 5:59:55 PM
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OneBlackFly
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Which Mobil 1 oil leads in this poll, 20W50 V-Twin, 10W40 Racing, or what? This is the one poll of the three with the least clarity.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 6/14/2007 4:17:47 PM
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chatro
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Redline MTL in my primary. Shifts awesome!
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 6/18/2007 5:23:31 PM
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gdkenoyer
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If I recall correctly I'm currently running Rotella 10W-40.
but IMHO any decent 10W-40, dino or syn, is fine.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 7/27/2007 7:48:59 AM
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uktzero
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which choice is HD Formula+? I don't see it listed
I just changed my primary and transmission to Formula+ and it still shifts the same/neutral's still easy to find ... 4th whines a little, same as before -- didn't notice any change in the transmission at all
I did notice an immediate difference with the clutch ... it's more touchy and the friction band is smaller, which I'm not happy about ... it will be some other oil this fall when I put it away
does anyone know what Formula+ actually is? ... is it synthetic? ... what viscosity rating does it have?
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 7/30/2007 8:17:19 PM
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Deuced512
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I've been running SYN3 in all 3 - but I'm open to change. I read the Amsoil bulletin - but you know, I read the harley bulletin too - they're both selling something they say is the best.
Seems like a lot of people like the Amsoil on here - what makes it better than the SYN3?
Also what's the deal with running the synthetic in the primary and tranny? No good? What's the best and why?
damn that's a lot of questions...
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 9/21/2007 12:11:58 AM
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hondo96inch
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Generic atf. Might use trick shift next time.
Random thoughts:
Ever try one of those gear train/oil tests at a fair or demonstration? You know, the one where one gear train is filled with conventional oil and the other identical gear train has the wonder oil in it?
Now think about dragging a big ass harley clutch basket and triple row chain through 20W-50 versus ATF.
You lose hp and create more heat with the heavy oil.
I won't be using super heavy oil in my tranny either for the same reasons.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 9/21/2007 8:30:36 AM
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NICK56
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any "diesel" oil will work in the motor 10-40 or 20-50 as per owners manual
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 9/24/2007 7:42:35 PM
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sargek
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Just wasted too much $$ on sh^toil, I mean Amsoil, oops, in the chaincase. Clutch grabbed and shifting sucked. Just dumped the Amsoil after a week and am going back to Formula+.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 10/7/2007 7:10:45 PM
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sargek
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quote:
ORIGINAL: uktzero
which choice is HD Formula+? I don't see it listed
I just changed my primary and transmission to Formula+ and it still shifts the same/neutral's still easy to find ... 4th whines a little, same as before -- didn't notice any change in the transmission at all
I did notice an immediate difference with the clutch ... it's more touchy and the friction band is smaller, which I'm not happy about ... it will be some other oil this fall when I put it away
does anyone know what Formula+ actually is? ... is it synthetic? ... what viscosity rating does it have?
I think Forumal+ is 50 weight, but don't quote me on that...I know it's not synthetic. Formula+ works great for me in both the primary and the tranny. If it is actually just 50 weight, wonder if there is a cheaper alternative than $6.95 a quart. In comparison to the syns, that's not bad really.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 11/18/2007 5:57:39 PM
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If you're worried about ATF causing wear of chain or sprockets, I think most truck manufacturers use ATF in the Transfer Case on 4X4s now days, which have a chain and sprockets in them too. I've seen Transfer Cases go 200,000 without EVER having the fluid changed...
Just my .02
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 12/6/2007 10:30:46 AM
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twiceretired
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Question about clutches in general, with respect to oil. Are HD clutches different than those used in import bikes? Reason I ask, is most imports have a common sump, using the same oil in the engine, transmission, and primary. That oil has friction modifiers, yet doesn't seem to harm their clutches. Obviously, then, if the clutches are basically the same, are friction modifers that big an issue?
Would like to hear from those who know, not just guessing - hell, I do that all the time!
Thanks,
Frank
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 12/8/2007 10:51:04 AM
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twiceretired
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What I've learned so far: talked with one HD tech, and a service mngr at a dealer selling/servicing import bikes, but rides a HD. Both say that, with some minor exceptions, the friction materials in all clutches are, basically, the same. One said that you might go back into the 60's to find any real differences. So I'm back to the same delema (sp?), if friction modifiers don't bother the import bike clutches (and let's face it, they're putting out lots more power than our similarly sized HD's), why would it bother mine?
I'm not putting this out as fact, only what I'm hearing. Would really like to hear others thoughts.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 1/5/2008 1:32:19 AM
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arnold
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I found B & M Trick Shift (syn) today at Pep Boys for $2 a quart so I tried it. Seems to have a bit more 'snap' to it and NO slipping when running thru power band, only have bout 100 mikles on it so I will wait a few days to see how it does.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 3/6/2008 11:52:26 AM
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JakeSabre
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Coastal or Cook's 30 weight, used to be 99 cents a quart, now its $1,50 or so. I have 60k miles on the stock clutch, hoping to make it to 100k.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 3/23/2008 11:02:17 AM
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CardsFanOne
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Just changed to Lucas 20-50 syn. w/ syn stablizer.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 3/31/2008 12:31:43 PM
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lecomte38
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I'm thinkin hard about ATF. Twiceretired - the BMW factory sent out a bulletin saying do NOT use synthetics in the F650 Rotax engines - clutch slipping problems. My understanding is that friction modifiers can ruin a clutch quickly. They embed in the plates and changing the fluid back to regular oil does no good.
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RE: What Primary Oil is your Choice - 4/1/2008 12:19:21 AM
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PolarBear62
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Went with Lucas full synthetic 20/50 at 5k... used since. Going back with it next week at 20k.
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