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Old Apr 23, 2021 | 02:20 PM
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I'm looking to upgrade my 2014 Ultra Limited to the new head unit. I'm running a Diamond HXM amp with Hertz Mille Pro speakers. It's set up with the BT line levelers. The install was done pretty early on when the line levelers were about the only option.
My question is, should I just stay with the current setup and just change the head or are there better options now? I'm seeing discussion about flashing the head for a clean curve. What about a dsp?
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You'd still need to either flash the HU or use the line levelers whether you use a DSP or not.
 
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Thanks. I guess the better question is, is there anything significant to be gained by getting the flash over using the line levelers and is a dsp going to add much?
 
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I think flashing the HU is a flatter signal than the LL's. Using a DSP for most coax systems might not be worth it. Some may say you can gain something from it, but is it worth the extra money and time to install. I think it really comes down to how you have your system set up and how much you're pushing your speakers.
 
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Thanks. I guess the better question is, is there anything significant to be gained by getting the flash over using the line levelers and is a dsp going to add much?
I think so, i ditched my LLers for a flash, and it sounds so much better. wish id have done it sooner. no DSP either
 
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The HU does not need to be flashed if you use a DSP, but it makes tuning easier if you do not have experience with a DSP. You also do not have to have LL's for a DSP if the DSP has high level inputs, like the Dayton Audio DSP. As a matter of fact some people that use the Dayton and had a floor noise issue will use the high level inputs to avoid that problem. Using a DSP on any type of speaker will help it sound better IF tuned correctly, although only marginally on most coax.
 
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Old Apr 23, 2021 | 05:30 PM
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The HU does not need to be flashed if you use a DSP, but it makes tuning easier if you do not have experience with a DSP. You also do not have to have LL's for a DSP if the DSP has high level inputs, like the Dayton Audio DSP. As a matter of fact some people that use the Dayton and had a floor noise issue will use the high level inputs to avoid that problem. Using a DSP on any type of speaker will help it sound better IF tuned correctly, although only marginally on most coax.
I hear you on the floor noise issue. If I could have gotten by without a DSP I would have. A DSP can make any system sound better, but if you don't want to spend time learning and like the sound without it, the floor noise is almost non existent with it out of the circuit.
 
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Floor noise can be reduced more with a DSP than without. Some people were getting noise with the Dayton DSP when using the high level inputs. Possibly there were some that had a grounding issue through the high level circuit. I haven't had that issue yet and I use a lot of Dayton's. The trick is to keep a high input voltage to your amps so you can keep the gains as low as possible. A DSP can help with that. That's also why we recommend aftermarket HU's with a 4-5v or higher output.
 
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As far as BT LL's go they will flatten the signal, but seem to leave a 'stale' sound, like an mp3 at a low bitrate. They are better than nothing, but I don't use them anymore.
 
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Originally Posted by Ndfastln
Floor noise can be reduced more with a DSP than without. Some people were getting noise with the Dayton DSP when using the high level inputs. Possibly there were some that had a grounding issue through the high level circuit. I haven't had that issue yet and I use a lot of Dayton's. The trick is to keep a high input voltage to your amps so you can keep the gains as low as possible. A DSP can help with that. That's also why we recommend aftermarket HU's with a 4-5v or higher output.
The only DSP I have experience with is the Arc, which in my case creates floor noise without the head unit even being plugged into it. Before I added it I had almost no floor noise. From what you are saying I suspect it may just be certain DSPs that do that. It sort of makes sense though, a DSP takes a signal and modifies it then passes it on. I would suspect that modification would add a small amount of noise. I'd like to play with other units but I just don't have the room since I'm keeping all the Ultra functions on a pre-Rushmore ride.
 
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