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Stock Cams to S&S 509 Cams

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Old 05-04-2019, 09:58 PM
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Default Stock Cams to S&S 509 Cams

I have a 2000 Heritage (28,500 miles on it) with CV carb, stock cams and Vance Hines exhaust. I'm installing S&S 509 cams, new outer and inner bearings, and changing the OEM chain tensioner shoes to Cyco brand. I'm assuming I'll have to increase the jet size on the carb. Should I go 2 or 3 sizes larger and then go smaller by one size after inspecting the spark plugs? I'm trying to avoid a dyno test. I'm the second owner of the bike and I haven't examined the carb yet so I don't know what jets are in there now. Thanks.
 
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If it’s running well now, document all your jets and settings and use that as your baseline. Then make only one change at a time as you tune each circuit.

You may find that the 509 doesn’t require drastic changes, maybe just shimming the needle for a richer midrange. Good luck.
 
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Don't disagree with roadmutt but suggest going up say from 175 to 180 on the main; IAW a "half size" up from the current main while you futzing with the needle; start with one .025" SS washer to raise the needle. Avoid Yost or Dyno Jet kits and stick with OEM parts. Consider drilling the vacuum port to 1/8" and installing the lighter spring. This has helped throttle response on the CVs I have worked on. With the needle up .025" and a half size larger main, use that as a baseline for further tuning; better to start a bit rich than lean. You might talk to a local tuner to "buy" an hour of dyno time to check AFR and partial and full throttle. Take a handul of those washer and a couple of larger mains and you can tune the carb in an hour.

Timing could be an issue as the stock timing may be too far advanced for a cam upgrade; corrected compression and CCP are both going to jump up which could result in timing issues. A programmable ignition like the DTT TC88 would be a good idea if it is in the budget. Just pay attention and watch for running hot and listen for ping.
 

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I got the bike the other weekend and started taking parts off in prep for the cam swap. I spent about 6 hours the first weekend taking off the gas tank, seat, exhaust and saddle bags. Today I spent about 8 hours removing the valve covers, rocker boxes, push rods, lifters and stock cams. The cam tenioner shoes are getting replaced but I was happy to see that they were both intact. The only potential issue I see is the cam retaining plate (part # 35060-00. It has some scoring and loss of material on the outboard side at the front cam. I only had to press out the bearing for the front camshaft (the rear camshaft would of slid out of the support plate if not for the chain).
 
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Here's the bearing retention plate (Harley part # 35060-00). I saw a used one on eBay with the same wear pattern. Is this normal? Can I reuse it?
 
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I got the needle bearings out today with the MBS tool. It didn't come with directions but I remembered reading somewhere that a hose clamp is needed to compress the end of the tool to get it through the bearing. I also installed new cam tensioner shoes on the tensioners.



 
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