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Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
Ok guys, the dealer did a stage one/SE II's/ stage I download before I took delivery of my '06 FDXI35. It seems to be running OK with no or very occassional popping on deceleration. I have a K&N replacement filter (HD-0800) from fox which might make the bike even leaner. Certainly, it could stand to additional tuning and all options would work perfectly for my simple purpose.
Here's the question. I just want to add 'points' to the fuel map to richen things up a bit. I've done the research on each device and know all three would work for my mild tune. No future plans to add cams or big bore kits; my bike's stayin' at stage one for a good long time. The various DFO's are scaring me away with the various wires and hookups. Not scared for installation purposes but a quick uninstall for dealership warranty work looks like pain in the ass with the birds nest of wires. A Plus is that it will work good on top of the Stage one dealer download and it's the cheapest. PC III looks like is has a simplified hookup directly to the ECU and a decent USB software to tune things up a bit with a laptop. Works well on top the factory download and can be found discounted for a reasonable price, easy to remove if called for. I'm seeing some posts about sluggish stating after installation. Any thoughts about this. SERT, Probably the best bet. Might be over kill and the most pricey option. Wasted $150 on the factory download but in the grand scheme who cares. You guy's have lived it. Point me in the right direction for my purposes! If I could go up one jet size and add a Shim I'd be about perfect. Much Appreciated, James |
RE: Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
The various DFO's are scaring me away with the various wires and hookups You have no intentions to go bigger and what it comes down to is if you want to install it and set it up yourself or have a dyno involved for the setup which would be needed for the setup of the other units you mention to maximize their potential. All three would do a good job, just what you want out of the motor and how far you want to take it should determine which you choose. |
RE: Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
TCSTD,
Maybe I missed this information on the web as well, but, all I found on installing the DFO was the same thing fl-799 found - splicing wires. Can you point us to the wiring harness info? Although I keep trying to stop at Stage 1, I'll probably eventually go with some sort of FI tweaker in the future as well. Does this ever stop!!!! :-) Thanks a bunch, Whiff |
RE: Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
I'm going by the streaming tutorial on their website. Looks like they were using the tap in connectors from several points (power from rear tail light, injectors etc.)
Also, what's the purpose of eliminating the O2 sensors on some of these kit's? Don't we want to keep these in the closed loop system>? Thanks, James |
RE: Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
ORIGINAL: fl_799 Ok guys, the dealer did a stage one/SE II's/ stage I download before I took delivery of my '06 FDXI35. It seems to be running OK with no or very occassional popping on deceleration. I have a K&N replacement filter (HD-0800) from fox which might make the bike even leaner. Certainly, it could stand to additional tuning and all options would work perfectly for my simple purpose. Here's the question. I just want to add 'points' to the fuel map to richen things up a bit. I've done the research on each device and know all three would work for my mild tune. No future plans to add cams or big bore kits; my bike's stayin' at stage one for a good long time. The various DFO's are scaring me away with the various wires and hookups. Not scared for installation purposes but a quick uninstall for dealership warranty work looks like pain in the ass with the birds nest of wires. A Plus is that it will work good on top of the Stage one dealer download and it's the cheapest. PC III looks like is has a simplified hookup directly to the ECU and a decent USB software to tune things up a bit with a laptop. Works well on top the factory download and can be found discounted for a reasonable price, easy to remove if called for. I'm seeing some posts about sluggish stating after installation. Any thoughts about this. SERT, Probably the best bet. Might be over kill and the most pricey option. Wasted $150 on the factory download but in the grand scheme who cares. You guy's have lived it. Point me in the right direction for my purposes! If I could go up one jet size and add a Shim I'd be about perfect. Much Appreciated, James |
RE: Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
Don't forget to check out Dobeck Performance www.techlusion.com I seems all designs start with Dobeck or Daytech sp? in Florida.
Lots to check out . my H.D. dealer wanted $600 for the race tuner and dyno. I found the unit Dobeck recommends for $224 online.. Lots of info on the site and fuel injection guru on a chat line that can answer any question... GOOD LUCK !!! ANDRE' |
RE: Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
I recently purchased a 2006 EFI S/T Standard and have the SE II slipons and A/C ready to install but not sure which way to correct fuel requirements.
I like the DFO solution mainly because I am not excited about having my bike dyno'd or having dealer techs paw all over my ride. The question I have if the DFO is being touted as removable for dealer service, isn't that detremental to the operation of the bike during the service period? Especially if there was a problem that needed to be diagnosed? I sure don't want to remove the silpons and A/C if the bike requires service although for as seldom as I expect the bike to see a dealer service dept., I guess that is not out of the question. TIA, |
RE: Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
ORIGINAL: Whiffleboy TCSTD, Maybe I missed this information on the web as well, but, all I found on installing the DFO was the same thing fl-799 found - splicing wires. Can you point us to the wiring harness info? Although I keep trying to stop at Stage 1, I'll probably eventually go with some sort of FI tweaker in the future as well. Does this ever stop!!!! :-) Thanks a bunch, Whiff You obviously saw the older version that uses an optional harness for $49. The new units come with the integral harness built in and is a plug and play setup with NO wire splicing at all. Here's a link to them in the DIY section ... HERE TFI Technical support here... 1-877-764-3337 This WAS the optional harness that made it plug and play, but they had problems with the hookups that people were making when installing them on to the unit so they became integral to the unit. http://www.customdynamics.com/motorc.../wh001kitL.jpg This is the way they come now. If in doubt, when you order one, ask if it has the integral harness. As far as I know, they all come like this now and the cost is $160 in the link furnished above. Ask for Tom. http://www.customdynamics.com/Images/1040st.jpg |
RE: Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
Thanks for the info.
Whiff |
RE: Advice needed; Sert, PC III, DFO's
This is excellent. Thanks to all who have contributed.
I did take a long ride earlier today to a indy shop who is an official Dynojet testing facility. Quoted $359 to install the PC and $200 to tune it in. I want to do this but the price seems a bit in the high side. They did let it slip that they did have an '06 Dyna/stage-one map in their library from a previous bike. I figure 30 minutes labor for the PC install and $80/ Hr on the dyno tops. Oh well. I might just get the plug and play Techlusion/DFO from Tom and tune it myself like I've always done with old cars and bikes and be done with it. Their Tech support seems like they'll get you right in on the tune. Bike's not running bad at all; just a quick tweek here and there and I'm set. |
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