Slip-ons vs Full Exhaust System
#12
08-18-2010, 09:48 PM
With money being tight you might be happy with a different set of slipons. I had the V&H mufflers, which I liked and were pretty loud. Then I installed a pair of Cycle Shacks which I like even more. Not quite as loud but loud enough and nice and deep. They list for $190 and can be bought for less.
You can get a performance advantage with a 2-1 system but it will cost more. Lots of choices out there, including 2-2 pipes. Not to mention all the different styles. If you decide to go that way later on you can always sell your used mufflers.
You can get a performance advantage with a 2-1 system but it will cost more. Lots of choices out there, including 2-2 pipes. Not to mention all the different styles. If you decide to go that way later on you can always sell your used mufflers.
#13
08-18-2010, 09:50 PM
You will get a difference of opinion here. It is not a simple trade off as you may think. You can get good sound with either method, that's your subjective judgement. Oh by the way, forget about achieving that old potato-potato lope sound, you need an old carb bike for that. Not going to happen with a modern bike. You can get louder, however.. you can get obnoxious too.. You can get better style one way or another, that's your subjective judgement.
First the HD exhaust in any configuration is too short to be very effective. When you make it louder you lose back pressure which can increase high rpm HP (if you also tune) but decreases low end torque and makes the exhaust susceptible to decel pops. The 2-1 full exhausts can be tuned to get some of that torque back, but they also have holes in the power curve, and don't max your high rpm HP.
Except for D&D, the full exhaust manufacture seem to pay little attention to proper O2 sensor placement (old school was to disconnect them anyway) so there is potential to mess with your street drivability or kill the closed loop capability (not recommended).
Currently, for near stock bikes, the best recommendation for street performance is to keep your HD head pipes, put some slip ons on that you like the sound. I know rush makes a quality product, I hear Krome Werks and Fat Cat also, oh V&H maybe, and get a proper tune for your driving style.
The difference between the pipes are not going to be felt in your rear end until you are well into displacement and cam changes. The tune will put life into the bike and improve street drivability, performance, mileage more than any pipe or AF. If you are a DYIer, look at the TTS kit. If not look for a good tuner (which may or may not be the dealer).
Gotta go, good luck sorting through all the info and advice here.
First the HD exhaust in any configuration is too short to be very effective. When you make it louder you lose back pressure which can increase high rpm HP (if you also tune) but decreases low end torque and makes the exhaust susceptible to decel pops. The 2-1 full exhausts can be tuned to get some of that torque back, but they also have holes in the power curve, and don't max your high rpm HP.
Except for D&D, the full exhaust manufacture seem to pay little attention to proper O2 sensor placement (old school was to disconnect them anyway) so there is potential to mess with your street drivability or kill the closed loop capability (not recommended).
Currently, for near stock bikes, the best recommendation for street performance is to keep your HD head pipes, put some slip ons on that you like the sound. I know rush makes a quality product, I hear Krome Werks and Fat Cat also, oh V&H maybe, and get a proper tune for your driving style.
The difference between the pipes are not going to be felt in your rear end until you are well into displacement and cam changes. The tune will put life into the bike and improve street drivability, performance, mileage more than any pipe or AF. If you are a DYIer, look at the TTS kit. If not look for a good tuner (which may or may not be the dealer).
Gotta go, good luck sorting through all the info and advice here.
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08-19-2010, 07:07 AM
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Several thousand huh!? Well, then I've got roughly 6,950 miles to go! Been raining ALOT this week here so I haven't been able to ride much. Rain don't really bug me, but the lightening sure does. Our afternoon thunderstorms here in Florida are really bad this time of year.
Thanks for the advice, especially on the air cleaner. Getting there slowly, but surely.
Thanks for the advice, especially on the air cleaner. Getting there slowly, but surely.
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You will get a difference of opinion here. It is not a simple trade off as you may think. You can get good sound with either method, that's your subjective judgement. Oh by the way, forget about achieving that old potato-potato lope sound, you need an old carb bike for that. Not going to happen with a modern bike. You can get louder, however.. you can get obnoxious too.. You can get better style one way or another, that's your subjective judgement.
First the HD exhaust in any configuration is too short to be very effective. When you make it louder you lose back pressure which can increase high rpm HP (if you also tune) but decreases low end torque and makes the exhaust susceptible to decel pops. The 2-1 full exhausts can be tuned to get some of that torque back, but they also have holes in the power curve, and don't max your high rpm HP.
Except for D&D, the full exhaust manufacture seem to pay little attention to proper O2 sensor placement (old school was to disconnect them anyway) so there is potential to mess with your street drivability or kill the closed loop capability (not recommended).
Currently, for near stock bikes, the best recommendation for street performance is to keep your HD head pipes, put some slip ons on that you like the sound. I know rush makes a quality product, I hear Krome Werks and Fat Cat also, oh V&H maybe, and get a proper tune for your driving style.
The difference between the pipes are not going to be felt in your rear end until you are well into displacement and cam changes. The tune will put life into the bike and improve street drivability, performance, mileage more than any pipe or AF. If you are a DYIer, look at the TTS kit. If not look for a good tuner (which may or may not be the dealer).
Gotta go, good luck sorting through all the info and advice here.
First the HD exhaust in any configuration is too short to be very effective. When you make it louder you lose back pressure which can increase high rpm HP (if you also tune) but decreases low end torque and makes the exhaust susceptible to decel pops. The 2-1 full exhausts can be tuned to get some of that torque back, but they also have holes in the power curve, and don't max your high rpm HP.
Except for D&D, the full exhaust manufacture seem to pay little attention to proper O2 sensor placement (old school was to disconnect them anyway) so there is potential to mess with your street drivability or kill the closed loop capability (not recommended).
Currently, for near stock bikes, the best recommendation for street performance is to keep your HD head pipes, put some slip ons on that you like the sound. I know rush makes a quality product, I hear Krome Werks and Fat Cat also, oh V&H maybe, and get a proper tune for your driving style.
The difference between the pipes are not going to be felt in your rear end until you are well into displacement and cam changes. The tune will put life into the bike and improve street drivability, performance, mileage more than any pipe or AF. If you are a DYIer, look at the TTS kit. If not look for a good tuner (which may or may not be the dealer).
Gotta go, good luck sorting through all the info and advice here.
I have slip-ons. If I was to do it all over again I would have purchased a complete 2-2 system just to clean up the look a bit. I think it would have been worth the extra money.
#17
08-19-2010, 05:47 PM
I was finally able to ride today, after almost a week of daily rain. Back and forth to work, about 70 miles RT total.
Bike sounded alot better than it did last week. When I get on the throttle it's like the mufflers open up. At 70 it definitely sounds better! Still not what I thought, but I'll give them some time to break them in, then see.
Bike sounded alot better than it did last week. When I get on the throttle it's like the mufflers open up. At 70 it definitely sounds better! Still not what I thought, but I'll give them some time to break them in, then see.
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#20
08-20-2010, 07:48 PM
For you new guys, the above is an opinion that many here don't share, look around a bit.
