Harley Base vs. CVO Depreciation Breakdown
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Harley Base vs. CVO Depreciation Breakdown
This is for stats / accounting nerds.
I was curious about the CVO resell value, so I ran the numbers in Excel. With a CVO, your depreciation percentage is lower than a base model, but your total depreciation dollar amount is higher. I did a comparison between similar models over 3 different years.
Models:
CVO Ultra Classic
Ultra Classic Limited
Ultra Classic
Data Source:
Go to NADA Motorcycles to find the MSRP, low retail and average retail values. This is typically what the dealer references on trade ins, and I suspect most seasoned buyers.
I used years 2012, 2014 and 2015 Ultra, Limited and CVO Electra-glides.
The "Avg 2 Retails" columns mean I took the average retail, added the low retail, then divided by two: right in the middle of average retail and low retail. I believe this is probably what you would get for trade in from a dealer.
Assumptions:
I assumed if you were to trade into a dealer, you would get between average and low retail because they have to make a profit.
Average retail is what you would get if you sold it to someone over craigslist or something.
Low retail is when you're desperate to sell for personal reasons.
The Numbers:
MSRP: MSRP
Average Retail : NADA average retail value
Low Retail: NADA low retail value
Diff Avg Retail: The dollar difference between MSRP and average retail.
Diff Avg 2 Retails: The dollar difference between MSRP and average retails (Average Retail and Low Retail).
Diff Low Retail: The dollar difference between MSRP and low retail.
Avg Pct Dep: The depreciation using average retail in percentages.
Avg 2 Retails Dep: The depreciation using the average between average retail and low retail in percentages.
Low Pct Dep: The depreciation using low retail in percentages.
I was curious about the CVO resell value, so I ran the numbers in Excel. With a CVO, your depreciation percentage is lower than a base model, but your total depreciation dollar amount is higher. I did a comparison between similar models over 3 different years.
Models:
CVO Ultra Classic
Ultra Classic Limited
Ultra Classic
Data Source:
Go to NADA Motorcycles to find the MSRP, low retail and average retail values. This is typically what the dealer references on trade ins, and I suspect most seasoned buyers.
I used years 2012, 2014 and 2015 Ultra, Limited and CVO Electra-glides.
The "Avg 2 Retails" columns mean I took the average retail, added the low retail, then divided by two: right in the middle of average retail and low retail. I believe this is probably what you would get for trade in from a dealer.
Assumptions:
I assumed if you were to trade into a dealer, you would get between average and low retail because they have to make a profit.
Average retail is what you would get if you sold it to someone over craigslist or something.
Low retail is when you're desperate to sell for personal reasons.
The Numbers:
MSRP: MSRP
Average Retail : NADA average retail value
Low Retail: NADA low retail value
Diff Avg Retail: The dollar difference between MSRP and average retail.
Diff Avg 2 Retails: The dollar difference between MSRP and average retails (Average Retail and Low Retail).
Diff Low Retail: The dollar difference between MSRP and low retail.
Avg Pct Dep: The depreciation using average retail in percentages.
Avg 2 Retails Dep: The depreciation using the average between average retail and low retail in percentages.
Low Pct Dep: The depreciation using low retail in percentages.
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What I was told by a sales manager that only buys CVOs now for personal use .If you buy a basic model and add all the extras a CVO has on it and go trade in you will not get much for the extras . If you buy the CVO model and trade in you will get more for the extras that came with the bike . Hope this makes sense. One thing I will say the price of the CVO is getting out of hand.
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What I was told by a sales manager that only buys CVOs now for personal use .If you buy a basic model and add all the extras a CVO has on it and go trade in you will not get much for the extras . If you buy the CVO model and trade in you will get more for the extras that came with the bike . Hope this makes sense. One thing I will say the price of the CVO is getting out of hand.
#4
What I was told by a sales manager that only buys CVOs now for personal use .If you buy a basic model and add all the extras a CVO has on it and go trade in you will not get much for the extras . If you buy the CVO model and trade in you will get more for the extras that came with the bike . Hope this makes sense. One thing I will say the price of the CVO is getting out of hand.
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The only thing that justifies the cvo price is that they hold value as well as other Harleys. The"extras" are considered part of the model. So you're not completely throwing away the ridiculous 40k for a cvo. I traded my 2010 cvo ultra to same dealer purchased from for a 14 limited in 2014 and got 28k in trade. I Paid 250 bucks out the door. Lol.
Btw. An Indian dealer offered me 19k for the 10 cvo. Back then. I laughed at him.
Btw. An Indian dealer offered me 19k for the 10 cvo. Back then. I laughed at him.
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While I appreciate your exercise in new bike depreciation, it should be noted that the thing to learn from it is to be the second buyer. I am currently just waiting and watching for an opportunity on an almost new 15-16 road glide S that "really wants" a new home. Then there will be three
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There are plenty of cars out there that cost well over $100K, some are several times that.
Way beyond my means, but there are plenty of buyers out there.
Porsche, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, etc., are all still going.
If there was no demand for the CVO's, they'd probably stop making them. Per the guy that sold me my LImited, they usually quickly sell the few CVO's they get each year.
Way beyond my means, but there are plenty of buyers out there.
Porsche, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, etc., are all still going.
If there was no demand for the CVO's, they'd probably stop making them. Per the guy that sold me my LImited, they usually quickly sell the few CVO's they get each year.