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Old 02-11-2019, 08:45 AM
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I don't know about the legality of it but, if you got the out the door price you wanted why not just enjoy the bike. We can work ourselves into a lather over a lot of things that don't actually merit the effort.
It was a bad question, asking it it was legal. It probably has never been tested in the courts, that is the only way to determine if it is legal or not.

As I stated previously, if I had known the true trade-in value of my trade-in and the true price of the new bike, I might not have even offered to trade in my current bike. It is hard not to feel deceived when something like that happens.

Here is the definition of "deceive"
(of a person) cause (someone) to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage.

And there are good reasons that you should not want a Harley Dealership to engage in those kinds of things. Dealerships are always asking HOG members to volunteer around the shop. They are trying to project the image of "fun" and they want people to just hang out at the shop. If we do all that, and they do those deceptive type behaviors, and we know it, then we kind of become accomplices in all it.
 
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:51 AM
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...And there are good reasons that you should not want a Harley Dealership to engage in those kinds of things. Dealerships are always asking HOG members to volunteer around the shop. They are trying to project the image of "fun" and they want people to just hang out at the shop. If we do all that, and they do those deceptive type behaviors, and we know it, then we kind of become accomplices in all it.
Same here. I was the Director of our HOG chapter before I flat out quit. The dealership was constantly trying to get us to "volunteer" to work during every Saturday hot dog day, or every other dealership "sales function." First, it's free labor for the dealership, and free advertising because they sure wanted us in full vests and patches, and it made it look like it was all one happy family.
 
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cogswell View Post
I don't know about the legality of it but, if you got the out the door price you wanted why not just enjoy the bike. We can work ourselves into a lather over a lot of things that don't actually merit the effort.

If you've read other threads by the poster you quoted, you'll know that's a common theme with him.

 
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dynamick View Post
If you've read other threads by the poster you quoted, you'll know that's a common theme with him.
Thanks, I have not been here long, I'll try to remember that.
 
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:36 PM
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It is not that easy. The difference that was negotiated was the same. The price for the bike and the trade-in value was completely different.
Then what the hell does it matter if the out the door price was exactly the same as you discussed with the salesman? Why does it matter to you? Even if you paid more in taxes but the out the door number remained the same, who cares? I think you are making a situation out of nothing. Maybe they could have been more clear but in the end it doesn't matter if you paid the EXACT SAME amount that you negotiated.

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Generally, that doesn't matter, because that's part of the dance. For example, if the price is $30k and they give you $10k for your trade, that's $20k net. Or, they give you $15k for your trade and charge you MSRP of $35k, it's still the same to you.

HOWEVER, depending on how your state charges sales tax on vehicle sales, that could indeed make a difference.
Exactly! Even if he paid more in taxes, he is stating that the out the door number was the same as he discussed with the salesman.

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No, I was not better off. The amount I negotiated with the salesman was an out the door price. That was negotiated against a higher price for the bike and a higher trade-in value. When the papers were put in front of me the out the door price was the same, but the price of the new bike and the trade-in for my old bike were completely different.
You cannot be so dense to realize it doesn't matter to to the bottom line price you paid. If you are truly outraged and want to pursue this legally, why are you repeatedly asking forum members who keep telling you what you don't want to hear. If you feel it is deceptive, then consult an attorney. My guess is you are too embarrassed to do so because you know he will laugh shut door in your face and then fall on the floor in laughter.

This goes back to another person's response to your post - stop trolling.
 
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:41 AM
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They did the same to me when I traded in my 2006 Scion Tc for the new 18 trd Tacoma I brought , the dealer had very little wiggle room to negotiate over the sale price of the new truck.

I told them what I was prepared to pay out the door and they adjusted trade in value, Toyota cash and end of year sale , even found me a couple extra bucks under the table in some Toyota truck incentive plan bullshit .

I told him I donít care how ya do it , this is the interest rate I was willing to pay along with my out the door price.

After it was all said and done I payed the price I wanted and Toyota sold a truck.



Wiz Out
 
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:56 AM
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Then what the hell does it matter if the out the door price was exactly the same as you discussed with the salesman? Why does it matter to you? Even if you paid more in taxes but the out the door number remained the same, who cares? I think you are making a situation out of nothing. Maybe they could have been more clear but in the end it doesn't matter if you paid the EXACT SAME amount that you negotiated..
My guess is BobRR in the end wants the 100% trade-in AND the lower MSRP quote of the new bike. So he pays less overall. But I agree to your point, the OTD was the same so just go ride the damn thing

 
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I gotta say that when I've been on the road in the lower 48, I've really always been treated pretty well. Not so much at Sydney HD in Sydney Nova Scotia. Took my bike in for an overdue oil/filter change and they didn't have time for me. The fact that I was about 3000 miles from home didn't seem to phase them either. I will never go back and tell everyone I meet how bad they suck!
 
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Originally Posted by BobRR View Post
It is not that easy. The difference that was negotiated was the same. The price for the bike and the trade-in value was completely different.
1. It doesn't sound like you were deceived. It sounds like you know exactly what was signed. You got the new bike in exchange for x dollars and the old bike, and you were happy enough to agree to it. You knew that was the deal, and you weren't deceived.

2. I gather that the paperwork showed a lower trade-in value, and a lower price for the new bike, in order to hit the same out-the-door price. I think you've misunderstood the situation, if you think that they would have sold you the new bike for that lower price without the trade-in. I believe that the price of the new bike would have been higher than what was listed on the paperwork, without the trade-in. Sure, they're massaging the numbers to allocate costs and revenues on their books between new and used sales, but for you, it's a package deal. Again, you got the deal you expected, the new bike in exchange for the old bike and the agreed amount of cash.

Remember that "trade-in value" is just a number used in making a sale, just like the sales price of the new vehicle. The only thing that counts is what you're getting, and what you're giving for it.
 
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:21 AM
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I stop using HD dealers. You bring the bike in for one thing and get back with another problem you discovery a few days later. I regards to the parts department, what 1 year limited warranty?
 

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