Harley sells sound to Honda!
#11
05-16-2009, 11:47 AM
I "think" the sound is about having a single crank pin, and about both cylinders firing on the same revolution, a split second apart, and then both idling through the next revolution. That makes the engine sound almost as if it's missing - running rough - at idle.
Thus, the "potato potato" sound. ??
Maybe you missed it, but I tried explaining that to you in another thread.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...ml#post4893705
Pay attention Baker
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...ml#post4893705
Pay attention Baker
If I understand what you are trying to say correctly, that's not quite right. With the 45 degree V-twin set up and both connecting rods sharing a single crank pin, the firing interval is like this: 1st cylinder fires, then there is 315 degrees of crank rotation for 2nd cylinder firing. Then 405 degrees of crank rotation before cylinder 1 fires again. Then cylinder 2 after 315 degrees, etc. This is what gives that "potato potato" sound at idle.
What did we ever say which differed?
OK, I'm paying attention.
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05-16-2009, 01:22 PM
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Japanese cruisers sell so little in comparison to H/D that it's almost an afterthought. That's why Suzuki doesn't even attempt to compete anymore. They just build there cheapo fugly looking bikes.
Yamaha is the only one that even TRIES anymore. And still, there sales are dismal in comparison to H/D.
Honda only cares about cars nowadays.
Harley is going to be in BIG trouble in a few years. Young guys for the most part don't like H/D's. It's us old guys that still know what a deuce coupe is that really like 'em.....and we are getting old quickly.
~Joe
Yamaha is the only one that even TRIES anymore. And still, there sales are dismal in comparison to H/D.
Honda only cares about cars nowadays.
Harley is going to be in BIG trouble in a few years. Young guys for the most part don't like H/D's. It's us old guys that still know what a deuce coupe is that really like 'em.....and we are getting old quickly.
~Joe
Of the ten guys I ride with from time to time, the five that are younger than me ride sporty's, the one the same age rides a sporty, the four older than me 1 rides a Harley bagger, 1 rides a Honda Magna, 1 rides a V-star, and 1 rides a Kawasaki V-twin .
I am 30 and ride a sporty.
I guess I don't understand the consensus that young guys don't like harley's, it is not what I see.
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05-16-2009, 09:12 PM
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I don't know about any of that, but... I was on a run today, riding behind a metric cruiser. After about 10 miles, the sound of that bike really started to annoy me for some reason. I started wondering things like - if you want a damn Harley, then buy a damn Harley, not some half assed imitation.
I'd buy a metric sport bike in a minute, but... if I want a V-Twin cruiser, there is really only one choice, eh?
Then again... talked to a guy who had a very nice metric V-twin cruiser... he bought it as it was, for $3,000. ... so, maybe some people want a Harley, can't afford it, buy the cheaper imitation.
I'd buy a metric sport bike in a minute, but... if I want a V-Twin cruiser, there is really only one choice, eh?
Then again... talked to a guy who had a very nice metric V-twin cruiser... he bought it as it was, for $3,000. ... so, maybe some people want a Harley, can't afford it, buy the cheaper imitation.
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05-16-2009, 09:58 PM
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i have a friend that works for a japanese company for 20 years and goes to japan a couple times a year and understands their culture. he tells me in japan individual thought, getting out of the norm , or being original, is unacceptable. they proudley and purposely copy h. d. and dont deny it. they rip off everybody from h.d. to whirlpool, to r.c.a. on purpose. the main reason i hear people say they buy metric over h.d. is because they think the a.m.f. years are still in affect.
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05-16-2009, 11:40 PM
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OK, you said:
There are 360 degrees in a complete revolution, right? Please tell me how your explanation differs from mine, and how your explanation doesn't have both cylinders firing on the same revolution but some distance apart (a split second at running speed,) and idling through the next revolution? 315 degrees = same revolution. 405 degrees = more than one full revolution before it fires again??
What did we ever say which differed?
OK, I'm paying attention.
There are 360 degrees in a complete revolution, right? Please tell me how your explanation differs from mine, and how your explanation doesn't have both cylinders firing on the same revolution but some distance apart (a split second at running speed,) and idling through the next revolution? 315 degrees = same revolution. 405 degrees = more than one full revolution before it fires again??
What did we ever say which differed?
OK, I'm paying attention.
#18
05-16-2009, 11:48 PM
I have couple of nephews in their early 20,s that are getting out of crotch rockets and going into HD's,Harley is far from dead believe me,there'll be much more new riders beside us old farts.LOL.
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05-16-2009, 11:58 PM
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Not to mention lots of us old timers have kids to pass the torch on to.
