EPA and Motorcycles
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
ORIGINAL: Twohulabears
Why isn't Harley fighting this? I could see the others thinking this is a good idea, because it will take some of the apeal of Harleys away, and that should help their sales. But, why is Harley not doing somthing to stop this?
I agree with the petition idea and am willing to help. I will also bring this up at our next ABATE meeting.
Why isn't Harley fighting this? I could see the others thinking this is a good idea, because it will take some of the apeal of Harleys away, and that should help their sales. But, why is Harley not doing somthing to stop this?
I agree with the petition idea and am willing to help. I will also bring this up at our next ABATE meeting.
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
ORIGINAL: 12Stones
They're not fighting it because they're supporting it. They feel that they can still offer the same Harley feel and sound that they have been and that everything will be hunky-dory.
ORIGINAL: Twohulabears
Why isn't Harley fighting this? I could see the others thinking this is a good idea, because it will take some of the apeal of Harleys away, and that should help their sales. But, why is Harley not doing somthing to stop this?
I agree with the petition idea and am willing to help. I will also bring this up at our next ABATE meeting.
Why isn't Harley fighting this? I could see the others thinking this is a good idea, because it will take some of the apeal of Harleys away, and that should help their sales. But, why is Harley not doing somthing to stop this?
I agree with the petition idea and am willing to help. I will also bring this up at our next ABATE meeting.
If it progresses to the point that I can't get parts for my old bike, then their thought is I'll buy a new one. They'd better think again. But then I'm older and they could not give a rat's butt 'cause I ain't gonna be around much longer.
Gettin' time to break out the upside down wings, again. Gooberment & big business - gotta love 'em!
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
How are they going to still offer that same Harley sound? While I am sure there are some out there, I don't know anyone who owns a Harley, who doesn't at least have SE pipes on it.
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
I'll prolly get some sh-t over this but cat converters don't affect the performance of a bike if the manufacturer knows how to build an engine and exhaust. My "other" bike cost less than my Harley, is a world class brand, and the manufacturer says it will do 142mph top end, and it has a converter on it. I have no desire to go that fast but I am open minded enough to enjoy both a nice HOG and a brand that others here swipe at frequently. BOTH bikes are FUN. The world isn't coming to an end! See my signature....
ORIGINAL: greenbayhog
Here are my thoughts. I dont think this will be as big a deal as it seems. Cars and trucks have had restrictions on emissons. However there is a way around it. A cat converter can be removed and bypassed. Will it be legal?? NO! But its not legal to run SEIIs on our bikes either yet we still do it. Unless they start making bikes take emissons tests like they do in some states for cars we should be ok. Will it be a hassle ofcourse most govt laws are. Will it ruin Harley? I doubt it.
Just my 2 cents.
GBH
Here are my thoughts. I dont think this will be as big a deal as it seems. Cars and trucks have had restrictions on emissons. However there is a way around it. A cat converter can be removed and bypassed. Will it be legal?? NO! But its not legal to run SEIIs on our bikes either yet we still do it. Unless they start making bikes take emissons tests like they do in some states for cars we should be ok. Will it be a hassle ofcourse most govt laws are. Will it ruin Harley? I doubt it.
Just my 2 cents.
GBH
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
It's not about the sound!
You're not getting it!!
Say your bike blows the engine, and you love the bike and you throw in a S&S 124", That's it. It's a custom. And then 20 years later, you see the bike that you have always wanted in someones wifes garage, a perfect custom, built like you've never seen, and she is so pissed at the old man she will sell it to you for $20.00 You can't buy and register it legally, because you already have owned a custom in your life.
You guy's are American! I'm a Canadian, and it seems I'm more pissed at you freedoms being taken away from you than you are.
Pick up the last few issues of American Iron Magazine and read the articles of how this is going to affect you. You will flip!
You can never in your entire life buy another bike that is not a "approved" manufactured bike.
You're not getting it!!
Say your bike blows the engine, and you love the bike and you throw in a S&S 124", That's it. It's a custom. And then 20 years later, you see the bike that you have always wanted in someones wifes garage, a perfect custom, built like you've never seen, and she is so pissed at the old man she will sell it to you for $20.00 You can't buy and register it legally, because you already have owned a custom in your life.
You guy's are American! I'm a Canadian, and it seems I'm more pissed at you freedoms being taken away from you than you are.
Pick up the last few issues of American Iron Magazine and read the articles of how this is going to affect you. You will flip!
You can never in your entire life buy another bike that is not a "approved" manufactured bike.
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
Joe,
I do get it. Yes, you are right to be upset, as we all should be, even if right now we don't want a custom bike, because someday we might. Yet, to me, sound is also important. I love everything about my Harley. I love the look, I love the feel, and I love the sound of it when we are riding down the road (We have SEII pipes on our Harley). We are wanting to buy our second Harley this Winter. We want a bigger bike so we can go on longer trips. We are wanting to put Rienharts on the Road King Custom we want to buy. It would really suck to pay $20,000 and then when I get on it, and head down the road, have it sound like a Honda VTX!
Again, I agree with you that we all should be mad, and should do something about it. But, I think there is more then one reason to do so. For us, the sound of a Harley is important, and since we are looking to buy a new Harley this Winter, these new EPA rules suck!
I am sure there are other reasons to not like the new EPA rules. So, pick your reason, get pissed off, and then lets try to do something, or at least have our voices heard.
I do get it. Yes, you are right to be upset, as we all should be, even if right now we don't want a custom bike, because someday we might. Yet, to me, sound is also important. I love everything about my Harley. I love the look, I love the feel, and I love the sound of it when we are riding down the road (We have SEII pipes on our Harley). We are wanting to buy our second Harley this Winter. We want a bigger bike so we can go on longer trips. We are wanting to put Rienharts on the Road King Custom we want to buy. It would really suck to pay $20,000 and then when I get on it, and head down the road, have it sound like a Honda VTX!
Again, I agree with you that we all should be mad, and should do something about it. But, I think there is more then one reason to do so. For us, the sound of a Harley is important, and since we are looking to buy a new Harley this Winter, these new EPA rules suck!
I am sure there are other reasons to not like the new EPA rules. So, pick your reason, get pissed off, and then lets try to do something, or at least have our voices heard.
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
Here is the way I see it.
1) It adds another part to your bike where things can go wrong.
2) You pay for that additional part that you don't want.
3) If not mounted properly you got an ugly sore called a catalytic converter sticking out.
4) It's encourages a vanilla world of liquid-cooled, FI engines.
5) It discourages custom bikes and puts you at the mercy of the manufaturers. They don't build what you like, tough, because you don't get much oppotunity to modify it to your liking (limited to the drive train) or build it like you want it.
6) Isn't part of the joy of motorcycling being able to modify the engine and pipes? Just think how many people have changed air filters or have big bore kits or have different heads or have different carbs or have different pipes or <insert wide range of possibilies>
7) It's bad for business because guess how many companies are going to have additional production costs or retarded growth or bankruptcy.
8) This is an UNELECTED body making laws that affect you. What happened to this thing called FREEDOM?
As for this global warming thing. I don't buy it. It has been 8 years of pounding this global warming theory on me. What has happened? It's gotten colder recently.
1) It adds another part to your bike where things can go wrong.
2) You pay for that additional part that you don't want.
3) If not mounted properly you got an ugly sore called a catalytic converter sticking out.
4) It's encourages a vanilla world of liquid-cooled, FI engines.
5) It discourages custom bikes and puts you at the mercy of the manufaturers. They don't build what you like, tough, because you don't get much oppotunity to modify it to your liking (limited to the drive train) or build it like you want it.
6) Isn't part of the joy of motorcycling being able to modify the engine and pipes? Just think how many people have changed air filters or have big bore kits or have different heads or have different carbs or have different pipes or <insert wide range of possibilies>
7) It's bad for business because guess how many companies are going to have additional production costs or retarded growth or bankruptcy.
8) This is an UNELECTED body making laws that affect you. What happened to this thing called FREEDOM?
As for this global warming thing. I don't buy it. It has been 8 years of pounding this global warming theory on me. What has happened? It's gotten colder recently.
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
O.K. I agree, I will pick my reason. I don't care about the EPA rules, they will change. I really care about the customizing rules since that will close custom shops, put startup operations out of business, drastically reduce the business of aftermarket dealers, force us to buy ony approved bikes, (even if they all go to 3 cylinder water cooled), and kill my freedoms of wanting to build a bike in my garage every couple of years as I have done for the last 20 years. These rules are stupid!
Cats, pipes, breathers, who cares! I will be happy to build a conforming bike, but under the new rules I won't be allowed to.
If you have read any of my earlier posts you will know I am an F1 fan. Every year new rules come out in order to slow the cars down, tires, superchargers, fuel, turbos, weight, etc. And every year the teams find a way to make their cars at least as fast, maybe faster. i am only asking for the same rules. The government tells me what is acceptable as far as emmissions goes, and I build the bike to meet that spec. But why are they saying I can only build one bike in my life. God, I'm only 44. Think about how the world has changed in the last 30 years, and then think of how it will change again in the next 30. This is really stupid.
Cats, pipes, breathers, who cares! I will be happy to build a conforming bike, but under the new rules I won't be allowed to.
If you have read any of my earlier posts you will know I am an F1 fan. Every year new rules come out in order to slow the cars down, tires, superchargers, fuel, turbos, weight, etc. And every year the teams find a way to make their cars at least as fast, maybe faster. i am only asking for the same rules. The government tells me what is acceptable as far as emmissions goes, and I build the bike to meet that spec. But why are they saying I can only build one bike in my life. God, I'm only 44. Think about how the world has changed in the last 30 years, and then think of how it will change again in the next 30. This is really stupid.
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
ORIGINAL: Twohulabears
How are they going to still offer that same Harley sound? While I am sure there are some out there, I don't know anyone who owns a Harley, who doesn't at least have SE pipes on it.
How are they going to still offer that same Harley sound? While I am sure there are some out there, I don't know anyone who owns a Harley, who doesn't at least have SE pipes on it.
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RE: EPA and Motorcycles
You will also be able to buy specially designed head phones so that you will not bother any of yer neighbors when you rev up your new Hydrogen cell powered mini bike as you silently and emissionlessly glide down the street at 45 mph.