Buell vs. Vrod
#11
03-27-2012, 03:29 PM
My 08 Buell Ulysses with the 1203 cc converted Sportster motor will match my 12 Night Rod Special in the 1/4 and almost top end.
The 106HP Buell is about 100 lbs lighter than the 125HP Night Rod and more low end torque for off the line. A group in Sweden had a U tube video of a Ulysses with studded tires on a frozen lake going 137 mph on radar. It probably would do better on pavement. The Night Rod is about 10 mph faster.
Anyone who has never ridden the air cooled Buell would be surprised at it's over all performance. Eric had the power curve and gearing spot on through the rpm range. Of any of the bikes that I have had none are as matched with the gearing and power output that the Buell is. HD XL 1200 is 65 HP at the crank stock. The Buell version is 106HP at the crank stock. The HD XR1200 which HD robbed the Buell parts bin only put out 90HP stock as HD did not engineer the air inflow as well as Buell did.
The 106HP Buell is about 100 lbs lighter than the 125HP Night Rod and more low end torque for off the line. A group in Sweden had a U tube video of a Ulysses with studded tires on a frozen lake going 137 mph on radar. It probably would do better on pavement. The Night Rod is about 10 mph faster.
Anyone who has never ridden the air cooled Buell would be surprised at it's over all performance. Eric had the power curve and gearing spot on through the rpm range. Of any of the bikes that I have had none are as matched with the gearing and power output that the Buell is. HD XL 1200 is 65 HP at the crank stock. The Buell version is 106HP at the crank stock. The HD XR1200 which HD robbed the Buell parts bin only put out 90HP stock as HD did not engineer the air inflow as well as Buell did.
By the way I think it's only 103hp, not 106. Anyway, it's a shame HD shut down Buell production.
#13
03-28-2012, 03:13 PM
Extreme HDF Member
Nirvana - You're right 103HP. I was going from memory and at 71 yoa that does work as well anymore among other things.
#15
03-28-2012, 04:11 PM
Stellar HDF Member
I could ask, "who wants to putt around?"
Some people like to go for a Sunday ride 10 mph under the speed limit with no concerns about holding up anyone behind them and others like the adrenaline rush of being able to do 160 mph and lean over far enough to have one knee skin the pavement while feeling the pull of gravity in the turns.
Some people like to go for a Sunday ride 10 mph under the speed limit with no concerns about holding up anyone behind them and others like the adrenaline rush of being able to do 160 mph and lean over far enough to have one knee skin the pavement while feeling the pull of gravity in the turns.
#16
03-28-2012, 04:59 PM
Ultimate HDF Member
The same VROD motors where used in both bikes. Buell also used a few of the air cooled HD engines.
In all cases though Buell re-tuned the engines through different fuel induction and valve timing to produce more HP at the expense of slightly less torque low in the rev range.
Buells were also comparatively lightweight bikes with stressed aluminum frames and weight restrictive designs. More HP + 100-200lbs less weight means faster acceleration.
In all cases though Buell re-tuned the engines through different fuel induction and valve timing to produce more HP at the expense of slightly less torque low in the rev range.
Buells were also comparatively lightweight bikes with stressed aluminum frames and weight restrictive designs. More HP + 100-200lbs less weight means faster acceleration.
#17
03-28-2012, 05:09 PM
Ultimate HDF Member
I've been admiring the Buell Ulysses for some time now. It is amazing what a Sportster engine is capable of. Oh, and it's still air/oil-cooled AND it has a catalytic converter!! Some people on this forum are so full of ****.
By the way I think it's only 103hp, not 106. Anyway, it's a shame HD shut down Buell production.
By the way I think it's only 103hp, not 106. Anyway, it's a shame HD shut down Buell production.
#18
03-29-2012, 11:45 AM
Stellar HDF Member
The same VROD motors where used in both bikes. Buell also used a few of the air cooled HD engines.
In all cases though Buell re-tuned the engines through different fuel induction and valve timing to produce more HP at the expense of slightly less torque low in the rev range.
Buells were also comparatively lightweight bikes with stressed aluminum frames and weight restrictive designs. More HP + 100-200lbs less weight means faster acceleration.
In all cases though Buell re-tuned the engines through different fuel induction and valve timing to produce more HP at the expense of slightly less torque low in the rev range.
Buells were also comparatively lightweight bikes with stressed aluminum frames and weight restrictive designs. More HP + 100-200lbs less weight means faster acceleration.
#19
03-29-2012, 02:55 PM
Might want to find out what bikes the OP is talking about...in NHRA drag racing both V-rods and Buells are present...and the V-rods tend to win more often than not. Qualifying results from the Gator Nationals two weeks ago:
Psn Rider Vehicle ET Speed
1. Hector Arana Lucas Oil Buell 6.777$ 196.10
2. Eddie Krawiec Screamin' Eagle/Vance & Hines 6.788 199.26^
3. Andrew Hines Screamin' Eagle/Vance & Hines 6.826 198.73
4. Karen Stoffer Geico Suzuki 6.833 198.00
5. Matt Smith Al-Anabi Racing Buell 6.872 194.32
6. LE Tonglet Nitrofish Suzuki 6.880 196.27
7. Gerald Savoie SAF & Motorcycles Specalities 6.886 193.68
8. Shawn Gann Gann Speed Buell 6.895 189.95
9. David Hope VRoom Racing Buell 6.900 194.07
10. Mike Berry Varoom/ LAT Racing Oil Buell 6.910 192.33
11. Jim Underdahl Suzuki Extended Protection Suz 6.918 196.87
12. Angie Smith Coffman Tank Trucks Buell 6.926 190.59
13. Michael Ray GottSpeed/Star Racing Buell 6.933 187.52
14. Steve Johnson Steve Johnson Racing Suzuki 6.940 194.66
15. Katie Sullivan Sullivan Family Racing Suzuki 6.990 191.97
16. Joe DeSantis Team Joey D Suzuki 7.014 190.97
Final round:
(W) Eddie Krawiec (Screamin' Eagle/Vance & Hine 0.053 6.847 197.08
(L) Karen Stoffer (Geico Suzuki) -0.002(R) 6.949 193.27
So you had one Buell then the only two V-Rods in the whole competition qualify 1, 2, 3. And all a lot faster than 10 seconds.
And if you want to just talk "factory" bikes...then look at the VRXSE Screamin' Eagle Destroyer. That is also under 10 seconds. Granted not a street bike but the OP didn't specify that.
To which I say, OP...just what exactly are you looking for? I'm assuming you're talking for street use. The V-rod is more of a "power cruiser" while the hot Buells are classic Sportbike all the way. Generally, the V-Rod will be more comfortable (note I said "more"...meaning "relative to") than your standard Sportbike seating position but will less capable in the turns and, depending on which Buell you're talking about, slower in straight line acceleration.
Psn Rider Vehicle ET Speed
1. Hector Arana Lucas Oil Buell 6.777$ 196.10
2. Eddie Krawiec Screamin' Eagle/Vance & Hines 6.788 199.26^
3. Andrew Hines Screamin' Eagle/Vance & Hines 6.826 198.73
4. Karen Stoffer Geico Suzuki 6.833 198.00
5. Matt Smith Al-Anabi Racing Buell 6.872 194.32
6. LE Tonglet Nitrofish Suzuki 6.880 196.27
7. Gerald Savoie SAF & Motorcycles Specalities 6.886 193.68
8. Shawn Gann Gann Speed Buell 6.895 189.95
9. David Hope VRoom Racing Buell 6.900 194.07
10. Mike Berry Varoom/ LAT Racing Oil Buell 6.910 192.33
11. Jim Underdahl Suzuki Extended Protection Suz 6.918 196.87
12. Angie Smith Coffman Tank Trucks Buell 6.926 190.59
13. Michael Ray GottSpeed/Star Racing Buell 6.933 187.52
14. Steve Johnson Steve Johnson Racing Suzuki 6.940 194.66
15. Katie Sullivan Sullivan Family Racing Suzuki 6.990 191.97
16. Joe DeSantis Team Joey D Suzuki 7.014 190.97
Final round:
(W) Eddie Krawiec (Screamin' Eagle/Vance & Hine 0.053 6.847 197.08
(L) Karen Stoffer (Geico Suzuki) -0.002(R) 6.949 193.27
So you had one Buell then the only two V-Rods in the whole competition qualify 1, 2, 3. And all a lot faster than 10 seconds.
And if you want to just talk "factory" bikes...then look at the VRXSE Screamin' Eagle Destroyer. That is also under 10 seconds. Granted not a street bike but the OP didn't specify that.
To which I say, OP...just what exactly are you looking for? I'm assuming you're talking for street use. The V-rod is more of a "power cruiser" while the hot Buells are classic Sportbike all the way. Generally, the V-Rod will be more comfortable (note I said "more"...meaning "relative to") than your standard Sportbike seating position but will less capable in the turns and, depending on which Buell you're talking about, slower in straight line acceleration.
Two years ago I owned both a 97 Buell s1 Lightning (1200cc evo) and a 08 Night Rod Special. The V-rod made more power but the Buell was 225lbs lighter. The V-rod was quicker but only because the Buell was nearly imposible to launch cleanly from a dead stop. With wheele bars installed the Buell would have bested the v-rod in the 1/4 no problem.
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