General Harley Davidson Chat Forum to discuss general Harley Davidson issues, topics, and experiences.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Premium gas but low compression??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 02-12-2013, 07:53 PM
Rampant's Avatar
Rampant
Rampant is offline
Tourer
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 497
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Premium gas but low compression??

This is a curiosity thing, and i'm hoping the more advanced gearheads here can explain...

Harley's have a pretty low compression ratio, stock, yet require premium fuel. My understanding is that premium fuel has additives that keep it from detonating under compression. High compression (performance) cars use premium fuel for this reason.

Why do Harley's need the premium despite having a low compression ratio??
 
  #2  
Old 02-12-2013, 07:59 PM
Keithhu's Avatar
Keithhu
Keithhu is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 16,384
Received 5,362 Likes on 2,617 Posts
Default

its a good enough question - although I believe technically they require 91 which is mid grade where I'm from.

Only thing I can think of is that air cooled engines run hotter and are more likely to suffer pre-detonation, so thus the 91 requirement.
 
  #3  
Old 02-12-2013, 08:07 PM
Ridewva's Avatar
Ridewva
Ridewva is offline
Grand HDF Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Northern WV
Posts: 3,667
Received 344 Likes on 197 Posts
Default

Large bore with only 2 valves = VERY low compression and 87 octane, or low compression and 91 octane.
 
  #4  
Old 02-12-2013, 08:10 PM
Rampant's Avatar
Rampant
Rampant is offline
Tourer
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 497
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Would bore really matter? Compression ratio is just compression ratio, so the whole volume (bore x stroke) should come into play.

Same deal with # of valves... I think?
 
  #5  
Old 02-12-2013, 08:16 PM
GrumpyBear's Avatar
GrumpyBear
GrumpyBear is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: West by God Texas
Posts: 3,066
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Help me understand this as well. Will 91 octane ignite slower than a lower octane gas?
 
  #6  
Old 02-12-2013, 09:09 PM
big cahuna's Avatar
big cahuna
big cahuna is offline
Grand HDF Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Deep in the heart of New Jersey
Posts: 4,846
Received 227 Likes on 152 Posts
Default

Doesn't it say in the manual 87 octane or higher?. That doesn't sound like a premium requirement to me.,,
 
  #7  
Old 02-12-2013, 09:25 PM
Keithhu's Avatar
Keithhu
Keithhu is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 16,384
Received 5,362 Likes on 2,617 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by big cahuna
Doesn't it say in the manual 87 octane or higher?. That doesn't sound like a premium requirement to me.,,
Nope, it says 91
 
  #8  
Old 02-12-2013, 09:26 PM
acman308's Avatar
acman308
acman308 is offline
Road Master
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Texas
Posts: 784
Received 12 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

SPECIFICATION
RATING
Pump Octane (R+M)/2
91 (95 RON)
 
  #9  
Old 02-12-2013, 09:27 PM
Keithhu's Avatar
Keithhu
Keithhu is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 16,384
Received 5,362 Likes on 2,617 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GrumpyBear
Help me understand this as well. Will 91 octane ignite slower than a lower octane gas?
Yes, exactly correct. "The higher the octane number, the more compression the fuel can withstand before detonating"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

Compression creates heat. My belief is that because air cooled engines run hotter, they are more prone to detonation, thus higher octane requirement.
 
  #10  
Old 02-12-2013, 09:41 PM
hornhonker's Avatar
hornhonker
hornhonker is offline
Tourer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Victoria BC Canada
Posts: 416
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

If the engine was water cooled it would likely only require 87 octane. The operating temperature simply swings too much so 91 is required just in case
the temp gets high.
 


Quick Reply: Premium gas but low compression??



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:25 AM.