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Old 01-07-2019, 03:38 PM
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If they think this will save the company, their wrong. This is a niche bike, its gonna have a small following at that price. What the hell is levatich thinking? You want to sell some bikes cut your prices by 30% on everything including accessories and get rid of this crazy electric bike idea. Their stuff is overpriced. 90 dollars for flannel shirt? Why? Its price gouging the exclusivity is gone. Time to let the little guy have something nice.
 
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I think they should've gone more like a Boss Hoss style, giant battery, with a softail frame, over 200 mile range. At least then it'd look more like a Harley, and warrant the $30k price.
 
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I'm out and I wanted one of these so badly.
The MOFOCO have screwed themselves at that price.
*** them !
 
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No surprises here concerning prices, called this **** a year ago. This wiil be a bigger bust than the streets have been.
 

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Major fupa! It's a interesting bike for sure. Extremely limited market. Overpriced by $15,000.

Harley needs to invest in building more competitive bikes, improve quality.

Harley needs a real Biker as a CEO. Someone that understands the riding community. Breaks my heart.
 
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Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker View Post
No surprises here concerning prices, called this **** a year ago. This wiil be a bigger bust than the streets have been.
Yeah I said it would be $30,000.

Shame that you can get a Zero with greater range for half the price.
 
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Pretty interesting how everyone with a high priced toy is complaining about the price of a new toy. Do you need a LW? Probably not.

I remember when the battery-electric cars came out and the basic stuff like the Focus was almost 40k while the gasoline version was 20. To push the 'system' there was a $10k tax rebate making it $30k. Still obnoxiously expensive and that is why they did not sell well.

The LW will not be a huge successful mass produced bike but it is not as expensive as it is being made out to be. The 'Zero' being $18-20k is less expensive (yes, nobody will disagree) but that is like a Honda CB300 in size compared to this thing. If that is 'okay' then why are the CB300's not being picked up like hotcakes by the forum posters on here when they are $5k instead of the $20-25k bikes that are being purchased? My guess is that if the LW came out at $20k there would be some other reason to hate it.

It is a 2-wheeled acceleration monster...what's not to like?
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Cole View Post
Live Wire $29,799 with estimated 110 mile range. Then of coarse you will have the delivery and taxes on top, just means Harley thinks that there name means people are going to spend that money!

Zero DSR $16,495 This is advertised at near the same range as the HD Live Wire
Zero S $10,995 ZF14.4 option $13,995.00 This gets you a range that is comparable to what HD is saying the Live wire should get.

With a Fall Delivery estimated, it would most likely be a 2020 model.

So HD taxes would be the difference between these bikes of roughly $13K! If I was in the market for an electric bike (which I am not) that's just a lot to steep for a HD badge for my taste.
To be fair, I haven't seen any specs for torque or HP for the Livewire yet. I bet the Zero DSR is a closer comparison than the Zero S ZF14.4. You also have to include the Level II Charge Tank for quicker charging on the Zero, but the Live Wire has a Level III quick charger in it. HD Says the Level III charger will give 197 miles per hour of charging, if the bike has a 110 mile range then half an hour on the quick charger will get you another 100 miles. If you could plan your ride around Level III charging stations it would be about like riding a Sportster with the 2.5 gal tank.

So when you combine the price of a DSR or SR with the charge tank the Harley is about $11,000 more expensive.

So from what I can see from limited specs the Livewire has some advantages over the Zero, but I don't think they are worth $11,000 of my money.

 
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  • Level 2: LiveWire can be connected to a Level 2 charge unit but will be charged at the Level 1 rate.
That's the killer for me. With that restriction, you can't ride the bike anywhere really.
 
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  • Level 2: LiveWire can be connected to a Level 2 charge unit but will be charged at the Level 1 rate.
That's the killer for me. With that restriction, you can't ride the bike anywhere really.
It comes with a Level III DC Fast Charger standard. (but isn't compatible with Tesla Charging stations from what I can see)

I'm guessing the onboard charger is just a 120v charger and when you plug it into 240V it only grabs one leg of the 240V.

Which is a shame because in the parking garage at my office is a Level II charging station that is free for parking garage users, and my office pays the monthly fee for me. So I could charge up for free, but the level II won't get me any faster than a standard wall outlet.
 

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