Originally Posted by purpledeuce

While it’s well within their rights to void a warranty, using tactics like this will just speed up their own demise. I don’t think the moco has much time left. Everything they’re doing seems to be going against what they built the company on - loyalty and a certain image.

It’s hard to act tough when your Harley sounds like a jetsons car. I think what we will soon see is the used market get wiped clean because not many will be willing to plunk down the money for new and be handcuffed to the screaming eagle products. Buy used and mod to your hearts content. New bike sales will suffer greatly, the ceo and other board members will destroy what’s left, get their golden parachutes and sell the name and brand to a competitor. This time however there will be no Willie G to come save them

Originally Posted by purpledeuce

Can y’all imagine the **** storm that’s coming when someone unknowingly buys a used non compliant m8. I can’t imagine dealers are checking the vin ahead of time and if they do, I can’t see them disclosing it to the buyer.

Originally Posted by mjwebb

so had an interesting conversation with our service manager this weekend..he said they aren't allowed to, and therefore won't, provide aftermarket tuner work on bikes unless they come in already having aftermarket tuners used on them and were already out of compliance..it's a HUGE penalty to the dealership for taking a bike in tuning compliance and altering it..and if caught, they could look further into the dealership's records and tack on addt'l fines for each violation discovered

Originally Posted by jd05flhtci

This is nothing new since the m8 came out. Dealers here in Ohio been doing that 2 months after m8 came out.

Originally Posted by mjwebb

understood, it seemed cut and dried from the start but a year later conversations of a gray area continue..what a long strange trip it's been

Originally Posted by jd05flhtci

This is nothing new since the m8 came out. Dealers here in Ohio been doing that 2 months after m8 came out.

Originally Posted by jd05flhtci

Whatever happen to the guy who came on here stating Harley had developed the m8 and been testing since 2005 and had more than a million miles on it ? Wonder if he still believes it with all the issues showing up with 15k miles or fewer? LOL

Originally Posted by harleytuner

It's also illegal for a dealership to remove any EPA part from a bike and replace it (even if the replacement part is compliant) BEFORE the owner takes possession of it. In other words, if you buy a new bike and have any stage modifications done to it at the time of purchase the dealer just broke a law. The bike (or any vehicle for that matter) musty be delivered in the same state it was certified in.