copy and paste my friend...took under a minute..anyway, the point was it's naive to think the Stage 2 would be as powerful as the Stage III when they state 14% increase in power over stock vs 39% increase respectively

 

I had ridden a few demo 107's at dealers when they first came out and at Bike Week 2017 H-D had a Stage 4 107 to 114 and a Stage 2 107 in their demo fleet. I rode both and without any doubt decided that for my riding style Stage 2 was the way to go.

Here are the 2 dyno charts that I believe appear in the 2018 parts catalog and the charts did show enough difference for me to spring for the Stage 3. However, thinking back on my test ride with the Stage 2, that seat of the pants feel still makes me smile but I think the Stage 3 does make the feeling extend a little longer into the RPM range. JMO

 

I had my torque cam installed over the winter. It's like a different bike, really wakes up the engine. I was not impressed with Stage I, (SE Street Cannons, K&N free flow air filter, SE street tuner). Stage II also tuned with SE street tuner so there is some left on the plate just waiting to be a woke by a Power Vison and a FuelMoto tune. Which will come AW (after warranty.) The torque cam was without a doubt the best money I've ever spent at Harley.
Bill

 

I did the Stage 2 torque cam when i bought my Road King Special last year and there was a night and day difference. I just traded the bike in a bought a Road Glide Special last week and I’m getting the stage 2 kit installed on this bike. It makes a big difference for me.

 

Bottom right shows yellow just above the purple. I would think the stage 2 would be a no brainer. Unless I am missing something else.

 

My graphs were for touring 107 with a Stage 2 and a 107 to 114 Stage 3.

I see your graphs are for a 114 Softail Stage 2 and 117 Stage 3. Seems like your assessment is pretty much correct for that situation.

 

On a 107, Stage III is a big upgrade over Stage II.

On a 114, Stage III is a minor, minor increase over the Power Cam Stage II. The torque cam is a different curve entirely, but the Stage II Power and Stage III curves are very similar.

 

I recently bought a 2019 Street Glide Special which comes with a 114. I had the dealer install V&H Power Duals, Freedom slip-ones, a Heavy Breather air cleaner, and the H-D torque cam with the H-D Pro Street Tuner, no Dyno time. I also have an ‘06 Deuce with a high end aftermarket 98” build producing 125.7 HP & 114 TQ. It revs quick, pulls hard and is very fun. That being said, the new Street Glide surprised me at how well it runs and pulls after having the Deuce. I feel most budget minded individuals will be very happy with the stage II. Some won’t, but for those folks their are other options. Personally I can see a swap after my warranty is either up or I have some reasonable time on the engine to the WM8-22X cam with a better tuner and some Dyno time....but probably nothing beyond that. I really don’t need the extra pull the Woods cam will get me, but stock is what the neighbors drive and it’s fun to surprise those folks that think all Harley’s are dogs. While I have really enjoyed the Deuce a lot, the reality is that I rarely spank it hard anyway. I spent a lot of money to get the performance, I know it’s there if I want it but I really don’t take advantage of it very often. It’s for sale, and somebody will get a helluva nice bike for way less than they could build one. Story of my life......

 

Ditto! My experience is the same as yours, so enjoy the upgrade.

I've been talking to fuel motor and I'm considering adding a PV tuner and the Jackpot head pipe.

 

Ditto but planning on my first "long" trip in September (~1800 miles) before I do any warranty cancelling modifications.