I own one so I can say Harley's are JUNK for what we spend
#461
08-05-2018, 04:47 AM
According to your posts you had a 2017 M8 that transferred trans fluid to the primary. Apparently, the dealer couldn't resolve your problem so you traded it in for a 2018. THAT's the reason Harley gets away with putting out substandard quality year after year. The only way to make a company provide a quality product is to speak up about it's flaws and starve them if they don't correct it. Technically, what you posted above isn't a lie, the transmission and primary aren't the engine but it is certainly a misleading statement.
There are two things that new people here don't seem to get:
There are those of us that are passionate about our Harley Davidson motorcycles but not passionate about what Harley is currently building. We have spent thousands of dollars correcting HD's mistakes and/or poor quality and have no intention of rewarding bad behavior or starting the money train up just to do it all over again with a new bike. Just because some of us don't like what Harley is currently producing doesn't mean we shouldn't be here or enjoy the camaraderie of fellow Harley Davidson enthusiasts. In many cases, it's the "old guys" that solve problems for the crowd Harley is trying to attract now.
The other thing that new Harley riders/early adopters don't get is that HD has ALWAYS had problems with new designs. It's part of manufacturing but HD seems to have more trouble than the next company that makes motorcycles. Some people that buy the first models of HD's latest and greatest seem to think that when somebody has a problem or issue and reports it they can avoid having that problem on their bike if they call people liars, trolls or shout them down. I hold this akin to a 4 year old child playing hide and seek by closing their eyes. Eventually, there are just too many failures to ignore and the "mine runs great!" crowd quietly slips off into sunset, sometimes after having said failures themselves. HD has priced themselves as a premium product and they should be held accountable.
Post 66
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17005424
Post 2610
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17015250
Post 2611
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17024202
Here's how you solved the problem you said you never had:
Post 1
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17528241
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#462
08-05-2018, 05:29 AM
Engine
There is nothing technically wrong about my statement. The M8 engine is a M8 engine. The transmission is the transmission. I stand by my statement. Both of my M8 equipped Harley’s engines have been great. However I’m glad I gave you something to do. Apparently you get more enjoyment riding the forums than a motorcycle.
Ill be checking back back in a day or two, I’ll be out riding my M8 Anniversary bike. Man I love this engine 😊.
Ill be checking back back in a day or two, I’ll be out riding my M8 Anniversary bike. Man I love this engine 😊.
#463
08-05-2018, 05:41 AM
Stellar HDF Member
According to your posts you had a 2017 M8 that transferred trans fluid to the primary. Apparently, the dealer couldn't resolve your problem so you traded it in for a 2018. THAT's the reason Harley gets away with putting out substandard quality year after year. The only way to make a company provide a quality product is to speak up about it's flaws and starve them if they don't correct it. Technically, what you posted above isn't a lie, the transmission and primary aren't the engine but it is certainly a misleading statement.
There are two things that new people here don't seem to get:
There are those of us that are passionate about our Harley Davidson motorcycles but not passionate about what Harley is currently building. We have spent thousands of dollars correcting HD's mistakes and/or poor quality and have no intention of rewarding bad behavior or starting the money train up just to do it all over again with a new bike. Just because some of us don't like what Harley is currently producing doesn't mean we shouldn't be here or enjoy the camaraderie of fellow Harley Davidson enthusiasts. In many cases, it's the "old guys" that solve problems for the crowd Harley is trying to attract now.
The other thing that new Harley riders/early adopters don't get is that HD has ALWAYS had problems with new designs. It's part of manufacturing but HD seems to have more trouble than the next company that makes motorcycles. Some people that buy the first models of HD's latest and greatest seem to think that when somebody has a problem or issue and reports it they can avoid having that problem on their bike if they call people liars, trolls or shout them down. I hold this akin to a 4 year old child playing hide and seek by closing their eyes. Eventually, there are just too many failures to ignore and the "mine runs great!" crowd quietly slips off into sunset, sometimes after having said failures themselves. HD has priced themselves as a premium product and they should be held accountable.
Post 66
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17005424
Post 2610
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17015250
Post 2611
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17024202
Here's how you solved the problem you said you never had:
Post 1
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17528241
There are two things that new people here don't seem to get:
There are those of us that are passionate about our Harley Davidson motorcycles but not passionate about what Harley is currently building. We have spent thousands of dollars correcting HD's mistakes and/or poor quality and have no intention of rewarding bad behavior or starting the money train up just to do it all over again with a new bike. Just because some of us don't like what Harley is currently producing doesn't mean we shouldn't be here or enjoy the camaraderie of fellow Harley Davidson enthusiasts. In many cases, it's the "old guys" that solve problems for the crowd Harley is trying to attract now.
The other thing that new Harley riders/early adopters don't get is that HD has ALWAYS had problems with new designs. It's part of manufacturing but HD seems to have more trouble than the next company that makes motorcycles. Some people that buy the first models of HD's latest and greatest seem to think that when somebody has a problem or issue and reports it they can avoid having that problem on their bike if they call people liars, trolls or shout them down. I hold this akin to a 4 year old child playing hide and seek by closing their eyes. Eventually, there are just too many failures to ignore and the "mine runs great!" crowd quietly slips off into sunset, sometimes after having said failures themselves. HD has priced themselves as a premium product and they should be held accountable.
Post 66
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17005424
Post 2610
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17015250
Post 2611
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17024202
Here's how you solved the problem you said you never had:
Post 1
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...l#post17528241
You are 100% correct that HD HAS had problems with first year designs. I know, because I have been the recipient of their flaws. My 2007 Ultra Classic was the worst Harley I've ever owned. It was the first year of the six speed transmission.
But even I could live with a "first year" flaw, IF...they would fix it after the first year! Many flaws have been left in the manufacturing for YEARS. THAT IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF!
And for those that call us "whiners"...a whine is one who sulks about it....I am one who raises total HELL about it!
What we are saying is that we deserve, for the absolute expense price we are paying, a MUCH better made care-free bike. And we deserve from the Motor Company, a MUCH better attitude and resolve in fixing said problems with quick response....i.e., same problems not being in next year's model, AND a fix RIGHT NOW for the problem we have with our bike, AND us as the owners not having the FIX paid for by US.
I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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#464
08-05-2018, 07:06 AM
Road Warrior
Your post is a GREAT one about the two issues you stated. But, I don't think it's just the new folks that don't get it. There are some older folks too that call you a liar, question your gender, and/or call you, and ME, a troll. .
You are 100% correct that HD HAS had problems with first year designs. I know, because I have been the recipient of their flaws. My 2007 Ultra Classic was the worst Harley I've ever owned. It was the first year of the six speed transmission.
But even I could live with a "first year" flaw, IF...they would fix it after the first year! Many flaws have been left in the manufacturing for YEARS. THAT IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF!
And for those that call us "whiners"...a whine is one who sulks about it....I am one who raises total HELL about it!
What we are saying is that we deserve, for the absolute expense price we are paying, a MUCH better made care-free bike. And we deserve from the Motor Company, a MUCH better attitude and resolve in fixing said problems with quick response....i.e., same problems not being in next year's model, AND a fix RIGHT NOW for the problem we have with our bike, AND us as the owners not having the FIX paid for by US.
I don't think that's too much to ask for.
You are 100% correct that HD HAS had problems with first year designs. I know, because I have been the recipient of their flaws. My 2007 Ultra Classic was the worst Harley I've ever owned. It was the first year of the six speed transmission.
But even I could live with a "first year" flaw, IF...they would fix it after the first year! Many flaws have been left in the manufacturing for YEARS. THAT IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF!
And for those that call us "whiners"...a whine is one who sulks about it....I am one who raises total HELL about it!
What we are saying is that we deserve, for the absolute expense price we are paying, a MUCH better made care-free bike. And we deserve from the Motor Company, a MUCH better attitude and resolve in fixing said problems with quick response....i.e., same problems not being in next year's model, AND a fix RIGHT NOW for the problem we have with our bike, AND us as the owners not having the FIX paid for by US.
I don't think that's too much to ask for.
Like myself I hope thousands of others hold back and send a bottom line message to HQ. And trust me, with all the testing they put motors through, they knew the issues and released it anyways and they’re probably unwilling to redesign, retool production for a while if not permanently.
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#466
08-05-2018, 08:40 AM
Dude, sometimes I wonder if you are taking meds when you are typing.
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#468
08-05-2018, 03:29 PM
Grand HDF Member
About half the states have lemon laws that cover motorcycles, the other half actually exclude motorcycles from their lemon laws. So yeah, definitely check your state laws.
#469
02-07-2019, 07:17 PM
I googled it........Are Harleys reliable?
Harleys are VERY reliable, but you need to take care of them correctly, and failing to do so will result in unreliable bike. ... Harleys are reliable bikes, but no vehicle will remain reliable if you neglect to take care of it properly.Mar 23, 2017.................The reliability ratings are based on failure rates for 4-year-old bikes:
Harleys are VERY reliable, but you need to take care of them correctly, and failing to do so will result in unreliable bike. ... Harleys are reliable bikes, but no vehicle will remain reliable if you neglect to take care of it properly.Mar 23, 2017.................The reliability ratings are based on failure rates for 4-year-old bikes:
- Yamaha/Star (11 percent failure rate)
- Suzuki and Honda (12 percent)
- Kawasaki (15 percent)
- Victory (17 percent)
- Harley-Davidson (26 percent)
- Triumph (29 percent)
- Ducati (33 percent)
- BMW (40 percent)
#470
02-07-2019, 07:19 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
I googled it........Are Harleys reliable?
Harleys are VERY reliable, but you need to take care of them correctly, and failing to do so will result in unreliable bike. ... Harleys are reliable bikes, but no vehicle will remain reliable if you neglect to take care of it properly.Mar 23, 2017.................The reliability ratings are based on failure rates for 4-year-old bikes:
Harleys are VERY reliable, but you need to take care of them correctly, and failing to do so will result in unreliable bike. ... Harleys are reliable bikes, but no vehicle will remain reliable if you neglect to take care of it properly.Mar 23, 2017.................The reliability ratings are based on failure rates for 4-year-old bikes:
- Yamaha/Star (11 percent failure rate)
- Suzuki and Honda (12 percent)
- Kawasaki (15 percent)
- Victory (17 percent)
- Harley-Davidson (26 percent)
- Triumph (29 percent)
- Ducati (33 percent)
- BMW (40 percent)
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