I gave "The Fix" to the MOCO today
#22
We all know you didnt come here with good wishes for Stonecold.You just turned up to irritate everyone.Singing the same dirge youve been singing all your life!
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GTK (07-20-2018)
#23
The MOCO put out a Technical Advisory Reference TA0022 on 2017-9-27 regarding "Transmission to Primary Oil Transfer".
In this advisory they clearly admit that:
Description: During service intervals, customers or dealers may find oil levels in the primary above the clutch cover opening. This also is accompanied by low transmission oil level.
Cause: This is occurring because oil is transferring from the transmission cavity to the primary cavity. Harley Davidson has confirmed some vehicles show higher amounts of transfer than expected. While some oil transfer can occur, instances where 150 ml (5 fl Ounces) or more have transferred in less than 5000 miles should be reviewed per the direction.
Action: 2017 and later vehicles- Check the primary and transmission oil levels and adjust the oil volumes as needed. Verify oil levels again in 1000 miles.
To the best of my knowledge TA0022 has never been updated to reflect that the MOCO does have a fix that is proven to work. In the meantime they keep trying a list of different things in the hope that one of them will prove to be a winner. So far, no cigar other than Stones fix which does appear to be proven. It will be interesting to see if the 2019 hydraulic clutch touring bikes have incorporated any kind of a design change in the cases, which would seem to indicate they do have a fix. The 2019 bikes have probably been out to California by now for hydrocarbon testing which would have to be done to validate a change in design. It seems inconceivable that a manufacture would go into the 3rd year of production of a new engine with known design flaws in it without addressing them.
Only time will tell.
Last edited by texaswiz; 07-19-2018 at 11:31 AM.
#24
I've been fortunate in that all 3 of the new bikes from I've bought from Harley in the last 10 years have never had so much as one warranty claim, and I hope I never have to make use of Stones fix. I still think it shows a lot of class on his part to come up with a solution and offer it to the MoCo out which in turn hopefully will help out the ones affected with these issues. Great job!
#25
#26
Well, that is not quite true.
The MOCO put out a Technical Advisory Reference TA0022 on 2017-9-27 regarding "Transmission to Primary Oil Transfer".
In this advisory they clearly admit that:
Description: During service intervals, customers or dealers may find oil levels in the primary above the clutch cover opening. This also is accompanied by low transmission oil level.
Cause: This is occurring because oil is transferring from the transmission cavity to the primary cavity. Harley Davidson has confirmed some vehicles show higher amounts of transfer than expected. While some oil transfer can occur, instances where 150 ml (5 fl Ounces) or more have transferred in less than 5000 miles should be reviewed per the direction.
Action: 2017 and later vehicles- Check the primary and transmission oil levels and adjust the oil volumes as needed. Verify oil levels again in 1000 miles.
To the best of my knowledge TA0022 has never been updated to reflect that the MOCO does have a fix that is proven to work. In the meantime they keep trying a list of different things in the hope that one of them will prove to be a winner. So far, no cigar other than Stones fix which does appear to be proven. It will be interesting to see if the 2019 hydraulic clutch touring bikes have incorporated any kind of a design change in the cases, which would seem to indicate they do have a fix. The 2019 bikes have probably been out to California by now for hydrocarbon testing which would have to be done to validate a change in design. It seems inconceivable that a manufacture would go into the 3rd year of production of a new engine with known design flaws in it without addressing them.
Only time will tell.
The MOCO put out a Technical Advisory Reference TA0022 on 2017-9-27 regarding "Transmission to Primary Oil Transfer".
In this advisory they clearly admit that:
Description: During service intervals, customers or dealers may find oil levels in the primary above the clutch cover opening. This also is accompanied by low transmission oil level.
Cause: This is occurring because oil is transferring from the transmission cavity to the primary cavity. Harley Davidson has confirmed some vehicles show higher amounts of transfer than expected. While some oil transfer can occur, instances where 150 ml (5 fl Ounces) or more have transferred in less than 5000 miles should be reviewed per the direction.
Action: 2017 and later vehicles- Check the primary and transmission oil levels and adjust the oil volumes as needed. Verify oil levels again in 1000 miles.
To the best of my knowledge TA0022 has never been updated to reflect that the MOCO does have a fix that is proven to work. In the meantime they keep trying a list of different things in the hope that one of them will prove to be a winner. So far, no cigar other than Stones fix which does appear to be proven. It will be interesting to see if the 2019 hydraulic clutch touring bikes have incorporated any kind of a design change in the cases, which would seem to indicate they do have a fix. The 2019 bikes have probably been out to California by now for hydrocarbon testing which would have to be done to validate a change in design. It seems inconceivable that a manufacture would go into the 3rd year of production of a new engine with known design flaws in it without addressing them.
Only time will tell.
#27
Well, that is not quite true.
The MOCO put out a Technical Advisory Reference TA0022 on 2017-9-27 regarding "Transmission to Primary Oil Transfer".
In this advisory they clearly admit that:
Description: During service intervals, customers or dealers may find oil levels in the primary above the clutch cover opening. This also is accompanied by low transmission oil level.
Cause: This is occurring because oil is transferring from the transmission cavity to the primary cavity. Harley Davidson has confirmed some vehicles show higher amounts of transfer than expected. While some oil transfer can occur, instances where 150 ml (5 fl Ounces) or more have transferred in less than 5000 miles should be reviewed per the direction.
Action: 2017 and later vehicles- Check the primary and transmission oil levels and adjust the oil volumes as needed. Verify oil levels again in 1000 miles.
To the best of my knowledge TA0022 has never been updated to reflect that the MOCO does have a fix that is proven to work. In the meantime they keep trying a list of different things in the hope that one of them will prove to be a winner. So far, no cigar other than Stones fix which does appear to be proven. It will be interesting to see if the 2019 hydraulic clutch touring bikes have incorporated any kind of a design change in the cases, which would seem to indicate they do have a fix. The 2019 bikes have probably been out to California by now for hydrocarbon testing which would have to be done to validate a change in design. It seems inconceivable that a manufacture would go into the 3rd year of production of a new engine with known design flaws in it without addressing them.
Only time will tell.
The MOCO put out a Technical Advisory Reference TA0022 on 2017-9-27 regarding "Transmission to Primary Oil Transfer".
In this advisory they clearly admit that:
Description: During service intervals, customers or dealers may find oil levels in the primary above the clutch cover opening. This also is accompanied by low transmission oil level.
Cause: This is occurring because oil is transferring from the transmission cavity to the primary cavity. Harley Davidson has confirmed some vehicles show higher amounts of transfer than expected. While some oil transfer can occur, instances where 150 ml (5 fl Ounces) or more have transferred in less than 5000 miles should be reviewed per the direction.
Action: 2017 and later vehicles- Check the primary and transmission oil levels and adjust the oil volumes as needed. Verify oil levels again in 1000 miles.
To the best of my knowledge TA0022 has never been updated to reflect that the MOCO does have a fix that is proven to work. In the meantime they keep trying a list of different things in the hope that one of them will prove to be a winner. So far, no cigar other than Stones fix which does appear to be proven. It will be interesting to see if the 2019 hydraulic clutch touring bikes have incorporated any kind of a design change in the cases, which would seem to indicate they do have a fix. The 2019 bikes have probably been out to California by now for hydrocarbon testing which would have to be done to validate a change in design. It seems inconceivable that a manufacture would go into the 3rd year of production of a new engine with known design flaws in it without addressing them.
Only time will tell.
#28
The two big issues are transmission migration and sumping. Both are due to design flaws.
#29
Within about a month or so many of those early buyers of 2017 Harley Touring bikes will be running out of warranty. So far, they have not come up with a proven fix. The real question is will they fix those bikes after warranty has expired or tell them to pound sand after their 24 month warranty is up. That is precisely why it is going to be important to see if design running changes have been made in the 2019 bikes.
The two big issues are transmission migration and sumping. Both are due to design flaws.
The two big issues are transmission migration and sumping. Both are due to design flaws.
#30
Warranty
Within about a month or so many of those early buyers of 2017 Harley Touring bikes will be running out of warranty. So far, they have not come up with a proven fix. The real question is will they fix those bikes after warranty has expired or tell them to pound sand after their 24 month warranty is up. That is precisely why it is going to be important to see if design running changes have been made in the 2019 bikes.
The two big issues are transmission migration and sumping. Both are due to design flaws.
The two big issues are transmission migration and sumping. Both are due to design flaws.
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