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I have a powervision , do I NEED a TTS??

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:17 PM
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He has stated that he has to get it wiped to use it on the new bike which I think costs $200. He isnít that far from the cost of the TTS above that. I have talked to tuners that said thereís some things that they like better about the TTS over the PV.
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Just a little bit of misconception in this post, the PV won't be "wiped", the $200 is for a license to use it on another bike. I use PV on my bikes and I can switch seamlessly between them, plug it in and it recognizes it, same holds true for friend's bikes I have tuned, no need for separate VCI for each bike, just the license, which can be used with any PV

OP, sounds like the dealer will be doing the install and tune? I understand the tuner wanting to use the platform they are most comfortable with but hanging the warranty over your head to get you to buy it seems like a shitty business practice to me. Both PV & TTS are very capable tuners, IMO they will both get you to the same place(a proper tune) but they have different ways of getting there, think of maybe the difference between iphone and android
 
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Power vision does not get wiped to use on another bike You purchase additional license .
 
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There have been MANY threads discussing whether ANY tuner leaves a trace. Do you know for certain the TTS doesnt leave a counter or trace at all?
Mastertune makes a complete copy of the ECM prior to installing a calibration, when restoring that into the ECM it makes the ECM to exactly how it was prior to being used, the PV does not.

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It is a flash tuner just like the TTS. Both have virtually the same functionality with their respective softwares.
The above statement is not true at all, Mastertune has several more tuning features not in a PV. While the PV can and does tune the bike, it cannot do what Mastertune does. A big thing to remember is that the tech is the one running the software and letting them use what they like to use, typically gets you better results.
 
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Where would the SE Pro Race tuner stand in all this, not the EPA one.
I wouldn't think it is as good as the TTS but maybe on par with the PV ?
OP I'll take this down if you aren't good with it.
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Cole View Post
Mastertune makes a complete copy of the ECM prior to installing a calibration, when restoring that into the ECM it makes the ECM to exactly how it was prior to being used, the PV does not.


The above statement is not true at all, Mastertune has several more tuning features not in a PV. While the PV can and does tune the bike, it cannot do what Mastertune does. A big thing to remember is that the tech is the one running the software and letting them use what they like to use, typically gets you better results.
Steve, can you elaborate on exactly the difference between the TTS restore original copy, and the PV ďload copy of original tuneĒ, from a technical standpoint?

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Originally Posted by Steve Cole View Post
Mastertune makes a complete copy of the ECM prior to installing a calibration, when restoring that into the ECM it makes the ECM to exactly how it was prior to being used, the PV does not.


The above statement is not true at all, Mastertune has several more tuning features not in a PV. While the PV can and does tune the bike, it cannot do what Mastertune does. A big thing to remember is that the tech is the one running the software and letting them use what they like to use, typically gets you better results.
Hence my statement virtually the same, I know they are not 100% identical due to copyright or patent. With that said, okay, so can you list the features for us that Mastertune has that the WinPV software doesnít? Iíd like to know the differences. That would help clarify matters a bit. Thanks
 
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Originally Posted by $tonecold View Post


He has stated that he has to get it wiped to use it on the new bike which I think costs $200. He isnít that far from the cost of the TTS above that. I have talked to tuners that said thereís some things that they like better about the TTS over the PV.
Fair enough. Can you elaborate what those differences are? I would like to know and Iím curious if others would too. Most local dealers in my neck of the woods wonít spend time to change anything but VE tables and AFR. Thatís a separate issue, but if thereís more TTS Mastertune offers over WinPV, maybe I would consider TTS Mastertune. Thanks.
 
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Originally Posted by RK14SGS View Post


Fair enough. Can you elaborate what those differences are? I would like to know and Iím curious if others would too. Most local dealers in my neck of the woods wonít spend time to change anything but VE tables and AFR. Thatís a separate issue, but if thereís more TTS Mastertune offers over WinPV, maybe I would consider TTS Mastertune. Thanks.
Interested as well, as I will be in the market when my warranty expires.

However, currently I am approaching it differently; it seems to me that there are thousands of guys out there with dynos, but there are comparatively few really good tuners out there (guys like Bob, or The Dyno Difference, etc). So I think my approach is to find the artist I want to do my tune, and then ask them which tuner they prefer to use.
 
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Originally Posted by RK14SGS View Post


Fair enough. Can you elaborate what those differences are? I would like to know and Iím curious if others would too. Most local dealers in my neck of the woods wonít spend time to change anything but VE tables and AFR. Thatís a separate issue, but if thereís more TTS Mastertune offers over WinPV, maybe I would consider TTS Mastertune. Thanks.
Iím not a dyno tuner so I am not qualified to say what the difference is. Steve Cole could tell you differences, but I doubt that he will as it could be interpreted as promoting his products which usually causes some heartburn. I think harleytuner or Steve from GMR could probably answer your question.
 
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Originally Posted by FatBob2018 View Post
Interested as well, as I will be in the market when my warranty expires.

However, currently I am approaching it differently; it seems to me that there are thousands of guys out there with dynos, but there are comparatively few really good tuners out there (guys like Bob, or The Dyno Difference, etc). So I think my approach is to find the artist I want to do my tune, and then ask them which tuner they prefer to use.
That is a smart way of doing it.
 

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