V&H fuelpak3
#1
03-24-2019, 01:37 PM
V&H fuelpak3 vs FM power vision
Bought a new set of pipes so had to buy an intake also now looking for a tuner been looking at the fp3 for my ‘17 streetglide 107 anyone have any opinions on it or suggestions for another tuner, pros cons vs fuelmoto power vision?
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03-29-2019, 12:57 PM
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Hey Everyone!
Thought I would pop into the discussion and talk a bit about the FP3, Fuelpak Pro, and current/future developments to try and clear up a few things.
Steve Cole is absolutely right that the FP3 is a phone/tablet based product that was originally shipped as an end-user type product, and has been for the past 5 years since launch. Coming from a Service Technician and Service Management background at the dealer level, I will totally admit that the FP3 narrow band AutoTune is limited in its functionality based on the readable range of those sensors, and to complete a full cell table takes me over an hour in the dyno...which is far too long. Shops operate to be as efficient as possible in order to make money and flat rate technicians also have the same ideology, as completing a 5 hour job in 2 hours banks me an additional 3 hours pay so I can move onto the next job and make more income...throughput is important.
I've spent a few years in the dyno primarily working on the development of the Fuelpak Pro, and it's opened up the FP3 to being a lot more capable, as well as shop/dyno friendly. What used to take me 1-1.5 hours utilizing the narrow bands in the dyno, now takes me an average of 15-20 minutes with the Fuelpak Pro. While we do not have full data logging quite yet, we have added VE Delta tables through a Preview button in the AutoTune's UI, which allows you to see the degrees of changes made to the tables, so you have a better feel of knowing what you're changing rather than blindly flashing unknown values. For monitoring cam timing we do offer a manual option for the IVO/IVC and Charge Dilution Effect tables, and kPa can be monitored live by looking at the Live Data screen...I'm also planning on adding that info to the wideband AutoTune UI like I added the ET and wideband diagnostic functions.
No we do not have hookups to the pc direct through a cable for pc software, but the Fuelpak Pro utilizes a cloud based server that can be accessed by any browser (dyno computer, laptop, phone, tablet, pc, mac...whatever) and has the ability to manually edit values through the interface, configure completed maps to be accessible by your personal login through the FP3 app, and has the ability to lockout customers from viewing or editing the map if you choose. This means that when I build a motor, tune it, and send it out the door, I know that the end user can't go into my map and make changes to the bike as ultimately I'm responsible for the motor/tune after it's left my shop.
As the Fuelpak Pro and FP3 allow for OTA firmware updates, we are constantly polishing and making changes to the hardware and to the FP3 App. Other manufacturers' exhausts are now present within the app, camshafts are all listed within the View/Edit and new Map Optimization menu, and I have a full list of Stage Kits on the server that can be accessed by reaching out to our CSR department, and sent to your bike remotely anywhere on the planet. Pair all of this together and the little FP3 from 5 years ago is now fully capable of quick and precise dyno tuning utilizing wide band sensors, has pc editing capabilities, and I've personally mapped a few 120R's, 124" M8, Tire Shredder kits, Hooligan XG750A's (Noise Cycles, Suicide Machine Co, Speed Merchant), and most of The Rusty Butcher's bikes.
Hopefully this helps some people out, clears up some misconceptions to the current state of the FP3/FP Pro, and lets everyone know I'm continually pushing for more updates, working on development, and making this a more dyno tuner/dealer friendly tool, while not losing sight of the end user experience.
Bryan
Brand Manager, Electronics
Thought I would pop into the discussion and talk a bit about the FP3, Fuelpak Pro, and current/future developments to try and clear up a few things.
Steve Cole is absolutely right that the FP3 is a phone/tablet based product that was originally shipped as an end-user type product, and has been for the past 5 years since launch. Coming from a Service Technician and Service Management background at the dealer level, I will totally admit that the FP3 narrow band AutoTune is limited in its functionality based on the readable range of those sensors, and to complete a full cell table takes me over an hour in the dyno...which is far too long. Shops operate to be as efficient as possible in order to make money and flat rate technicians also have the same ideology, as completing a 5 hour job in 2 hours banks me an additional 3 hours pay so I can move onto the next job and make more income...throughput is important.
I've spent a few years in the dyno primarily working on the development of the Fuelpak Pro, and it's opened up the FP3 to being a lot more capable, as well as shop/dyno friendly. What used to take me 1-1.5 hours utilizing the narrow bands in the dyno, now takes me an average of 15-20 minutes with the Fuelpak Pro. While we do not have full data logging quite yet, we have added VE Delta tables through a Preview button in the AutoTune's UI, which allows you to see the degrees of changes made to the tables, so you have a better feel of knowing what you're changing rather than blindly flashing unknown values. For monitoring cam timing we do offer a manual option for the IVO/IVC and Charge Dilution Effect tables, and kPa can be monitored live by looking at the Live Data screen...I'm also planning on adding that info to the wideband AutoTune UI like I added the ET and wideband diagnostic functions.
No we do not have hookups to the pc direct through a cable for pc software, but the Fuelpak Pro utilizes a cloud based server that can be accessed by any browser (dyno computer, laptop, phone, tablet, pc, mac...whatever) and has the ability to manually edit values through the interface, configure completed maps to be accessible by your personal login through the FP3 app, and has the ability to lockout customers from viewing or editing the map if you choose. This means that when I build a motor, tune it, and send it out the door, I know that the end user can't go into my map and make changes to the bike as ultimately I'm responsible for the motor/tune after it's left my shop.
As the Fuelpak Pro and FP3 allow for OTA firmware updates, we are constantly polishing and making changes to the hardware and to the FP3 App. Other manufacturers' exhausts are now present within the app, camshafts are all listed within the View/Edit and new Map Optimization menu, and I have a full list of Stage Kits on the server that can be accessed by reaching out to our CSR department, and sent to your bike remotely anywhere on the planet. Pair all of this together and the little FP3 from 5 years ago is now fully capable of quick and precise dyno tuning utilizing wide band sensors, has pc editing capabilities, and I've personally mapped a few 120R's, 124" M8, Tire Shredder kits, Hooligan XG750A's (Noise Cycles, Suicide Machine Co, Speed Merchant), and most of The Rusty Butcher's bikes.
Hopefully this helps some people out, clears up some misconceptions to the current state of the FP3/FP Pro, and lets everyone know I'm continually pushing for more updates, working on development, and making this a more dyno tuner/dealer friendly tool, while not losing sight of the end user experience.
Bryan
Brand Manager, Electronics
#2
03-24-2019, 01:52 PM
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Ran it on my 17 SGS, probably the easiest most user friendly tuner out there. I did talk to several guys who do a lot of tuning, they said it is a good stage 1 tuner but after that not so much. With that being said, going forward I would probably use the power vision tuner from fuel moto, not much more money and they provide dyno quality maps for free, its still easy to use with the included display (no laptop needed) and it seems to be one of the favorites for guys who do a lot of tuning. TTS would be another option and from what I hear is even more capable if you need really advanced tuning. I'm certainly no expert so this is just my opinion.
#3
03-24-2019, 02:09 PM
Ran it on my 17 SGS, probably the easiest most user friendly tuner out there. I did talk to several guys who do a lot of tuning, they said it is a good stage 1 tuner but after that not so much. With that being said, going forward I would probably use the power vision tuner from fuel moto, not much more money and they provide dyno quality maps for free, its still easy to use with the included display (no laptop needed) and it seems to be one of the favorites for guys who do a lot of tuning. TTS would be another option and from what I hear is even more capable if you need really advanced tuning. I'm certainly no expert so this is just my opinion.
ot might be a good deal or the way to go thanks for the info
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03-24-2019, 03:48 PM
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03-24-2019, 03:50 PM
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Go with power vision. It is better long term. More tuners use that. Fuel Moto has a great price and support. I had a fp3 and going stage 2 it did work. But the power vision produced more power. The fp3 might have been able to but I would have had to run an auto tune. Plus if you have a power vision you can always add another license and expand it. Fp3 is married to that Vin and cannot be transferred to a different bike have to buy a new fp3 tuner again. Power vision would charge for another license for $199.
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03-24-2019, 04:58 PM
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