Well $#it...I sumped this evening
#141
06-21-2019, 03:51 PM
Tourer
I sure hope that doesn't happen as sumping, based on my experience, is a sad reality. I say this because I made a deliberate effort to try to force a M8 engine to sump while on a H-D factory sponsored demo ride. For better or worse, I was successful in making the engine sump (see post #107 of this thread). It just is what it is. And for those that are skeptical of my result, wait for the H-D demo truck to come to a dealer near you and give a bike/trike the test described in post #107. Maybe the engine you test will sump, maybe it won't. Either way, it's a useful data point we can all use.
#142
06-22-2019, 07:17 AM
Post #107 is non sense. Who does that in the real world and I doubt no one told you to cut it out as it would be obvious you were screaming it to the whole ride line.
Proves you got a bike very hot and that’s it. Logical result of running at redline for miles. Any bike would get hot after being abused like that.
By the way do your experiments on your own equipment in the future.
Proves you got a bike very hot and that’s it. Logical result of running at redline for miles. Any bike would get hot after being abused like that.
By the way do your experiments on your own equipment in the future.
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06-22-2019, 07:27 AM
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I sure hope that doesn't happen as sumping, based on my experience, is a sad reality. I say this because I made a deliberate effort to try to force a M8 engine to sump while on a H-D factory sponsored demo ride. For better or worse, I was successful in making the engine sump (see post #107 of this thread). It just is what it is. And for those that are skeptical of my result, wait for the H-D demo truck to come to a dealer near you and give a bike/trike the test described in post #107. Maybe the engine you test will sump, maybe it won't. Either way, it's a useful data point we can all use.
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#144
06-22-2019, 07:43 AM
Seasoned HDF Member
Post #107 is non sense. Who does that in the real world and I doubt no one told you to cut it out as it would be obvious you were screaming it to the whole ride line.
Proves you got a bike very hot and that’s it. Logical result of running at redline for miles. Any bike would get hot after being abused like that.
By the way do your experiments on your own equipment in the future.
Proves you got a bike very hot and that’s it. Logical result of running at redline for miles. Any bike would get hot after being abused like that.
By the way do your experiments on your own equipment in the future.
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#145
06-22-2019, 08:59 AM
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#146
07-16-2019, 09:48 AM
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I see you guys never seem to get enough of me.... even when I'm away for a great week of riding in the White Mountains of NH, VT and Maine for Laconia BikeWeek.
Anyways, all the parts on my bike were HD SE components installed at the dealers, except for one and the bike never sumped with that part installed. Once the new stricter policies by HD were known to be voiding warranties, I returned the bike back to factory/HD standards. Anyone that's made changes to their bike and learns about HD's stricter application of their warranty policies would be wise to return their bike to a compliant status if they want to keep their warranty intact.
Sounds like this new sumping incident is going to end up with claim. The sumping has nothing to do with the cam (other than running through the rpms faster). If he was wise and had any intention of making a warranty claim, he would return the bike to a compliant status and keep it compliant through the warranty expiration. Some may oppose that thinking but if the upgrades were made thinking they were covered because of HD's past "lenient" warranty practices, then I personally have no issue with returning a bike back to a compliant status as soon as you learn about the stricter enforcement of HD's warranty policies.
Not everyone follows these forums and you can bet the vast majority of bike owners have no clue about Harley's far more strict enforcement of their warranty policies than in the past. Anyone I spoke with over the past week at Bikeweek had no clue that HD was voiding warranties for basic upgrades that in the past would have never voided a warranty.
As an aside, I met 2 bikers that also had their M8s sump. (Both CVOs)
Have at it boys....
Anyways, all the parts on my bike were HD SE components installed at the dealers, except for one and the bike never sumped with that part installed. Once the new stricter policies by HD were known to be voiding warranties, I returned the bike back to factory/HD standards. Anyone that's made changes to their bike and learns about HD's stricter application of their warranty policies would be wise to return their bike to a compliant status if they want to keep their warranty intact.
Sounds like this new sumping incident is going to end up with claim. The sumping has nothing to do with the cam (other than running through the rpms faster). If he was wise and had any intention of making a warranty claim, he would return the bike to a compliant status and keep it compliant through the warranty expiration. Some may oppose that thinking but if the upgrades were made thinking they were covered because of HD's past "lenient" warranty practices, then I personally have no issue with returning a bike back to a compliant status as soon as you learn about the stricter enforcement of HD's warranty policies.
Not everyone follows these forums and you can bet the vast majority of bike owners have no clue about Harley's far more strict enforcement of their warranty policies than in the past. Anyone I spoke with over the past week at Bikeweek had no clue that HD was voiding warranties for basic upgrades that in the past would have never voided a warranty.
As an aside, I met 2 bikers that also had their M8s sump. (Both CVOs)
Have at it boys....
Quick, are you still happy you went stage 2 or would you rather have left it alone now that it has sumped. Thanks in advance.
#147
07-16-2019, 03:52 PM
I Have heard mention of the warranty changes but am not sure what the new policy is/ I was told by the Dealership if I added any of their staged upgrades, 1-4 it would be covered underwarranty as well as the ESP ( I have the 7 year one), I want to get the stage 2 done but do not want to void the warranty at all, I would be using the torque cam, as I don't ride this bike over 3500 rpm at all. I have a 124 motor in my street glide I can **** and get if I want that type of ride. just looking for a little more torque down low for these steep mountains here the west two up and passing.
Quick, are you still happy you went stage 2 or would you rather have left it alone now that it has sumped. Thanks in advance.
Quick, are you still happy you went stage 2 or would you rather have left it alone now that it has sumped. Thanks in advance.
Yes sir, I love everything about this cam. I do not believe the cam played any part what so ever in my sumping. If bone stock 18/19 cvo's were not sumping then I may think differently. I'm the type that when I get something in my head, I'm gonna do it, I'm pretty impatient and live in the now so I couldn't wait to get the cam in there!
#148
07-16-2019, 04:56 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
I Have heard mention of the warranty changes but am not sure what the new policy is/ I was told by the Dealership if I added any of their staged upgrades, 1-4 it would be covered underwarranty as well as the ESP ( I have the 7 year one), I want to get the stage 2 done but do not want to void the warranty at all, I would be using the torque cam, as I don't ride this bike over 3500 rpm at all. I have a 124 motor in my street glide I can **** and get if I want that type of ride. just looking for a little more torque down low for these steep mountains here the west two up and passing.
#149
08-16-2019, 07:20 PM
Intermediate
Sumping! It appears to only happen to tourers!
HD have a very obvious problem that they are reluctant to solve( or can’t).
a recall is the ONLY remedy.
My M8 RG is an early build and it has sumped . New oil pump and plate but it still sumped.
.a class action against Harley may be the only action.
HD have a very obvious problem that they are reluctant to solve( or can’t).
a recall is the ONLY remedy.
My M8 RG is an early build and it has sumped . New oil pump and plate but it still sumped.
.a class action against Harley may be the only action.
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#150
08-17-2019, 06:56 AM
Road Warrior