heard something interesting from a royal purple guy
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heard something interesting from a royal purple guy
In my CCW class today was a guy wearing a Royal Purple t-shirt. On one of our breaks I got to talking with him and he said about 6 months ago the EPA changed the amounts allowed of the the top 2 ingredients in anti-wear packages that are added to oils (sulfur was one, can't remember the other). The reasoning was for emissions, which he said was bunk because the catalytic converter takes care of it. Basically, he said that the anti-wear packages in all API SM oils are reduced by 50% because of this. He also said that because of this Royal Purple is only producing API SL oil and will not produce API SM oil, and you won't be able to find anything but SM oil on the shelves anymore (besides Royal Purple). Another guy asked him about Mobil One and he said they are producing SM oil so their wear package is reduced. I'm not sure if he was blowing smoke or not, but he sure sounded like he knew what he was talking about and I got his card. Anyone else hear this before?
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RE: heard something interesting from a royal purple guy
No BS......he is telling the truth. That's why you want to use a motorcycle rated synthetic oil like RP/Amsoil/Mobil1Vtwin or Redline. The EPA will keep going on this issue as well. If it were up to them you would be filling your crankcase with water........
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RE: heard something interesting from a royal purple guy
The other ingredient is Zinc. The problem with the higher levels of zinc and sulfer is that they can glog the cat, and keep it from working well. Of course, there is another side to the story.
First, the decrease is not really a problem unless you have a flat tappet cam, or run your oil for an extended period - like 7,500-10,000 miles. For older cars with flat tappet cams this is a real problem; especially during break in.
Second, I think that decrease only affects the lower viscosity oils, like 5W-30 and 0W-20. I don't think the rules changed for oils like 20W-50. Not sure where 10W-40 falls in all this.
All in all, I don't think it's an issue for Harley owners.
First, the decrease is not really a problem unless you have a flat tappet cam, or run your oil for an extended period - like 7,500-10,000 miles. For older cars with flat tappet cams this is a real problem; especially during break in.
Second, I think that decrease only affects the lower viscosity oils, like 5W-30 and 0W-20. I don't think the rules changed for oils like 20W-50. Not sure where 10W-40 falls in all this.
All in all, I don't think it's an issue for Harley owners.
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RE: heard something interesting from a royal purple guy
ORIGINAL: bobcowan
The other ingredient is Zinc. The problem with the higher levels of zinc and sulfer is that they can glog the cat, and keep it from working well. Of course, there is another side to the story.
First, the decrease is not really a problem unless you have a flat tappet cam, or run your oil for an extended period - like 7,500-10,000 miles. For older cars with flat tappet cams this is a real problem; especially during break in.
Second, I think that decrease only affects the lower viscosity oils, like 5W-30 and 0W-20. I don't think the rules changed for oils like 20W-50. Not sure where 10W-40 falls in all this.
All in all, I don't think it's an issue for Harley owners.
The other ingredient is Zinc. The problem with the higher levels of zinc and sulfer is that they can glog the cat, and keep it from working well. Of course, there is another side to the story.
First, the decrease is not really a problem unless you have a flat tappet cam, or run your oil for an extended period - like 7,500-10,000 miles. For older cars with flat tappet cams this is a real problem; especially during break in.
Second, I think that decrease only affects the lower viscosity oils, like 5W-30 and 0W-20. I don't think the rules changed for oils like 20W-50. Not sure where 10W-40 falls in all this.
All in all, I don't think it's an issue for Harley owners.
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RE: heard something interesting from a royal purple guy
The reduction in Zinc amounts have led many automotive cams not to live very long,esp in higher performance vehicles.Many have gone to additives still avavilable such as E.O.S which is a GM sold product.
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RE: heard something interesting from a royal purple guy
ORIGINAL: pittguy
The reduction in Zinc amounts have led many automotive cams not to live very long,esp in higher performance vehicles.Many have gone to additives still avavilable such as E.O.S which is a GM sold product.
The reduction in Zinc amounts have led many automotive cams not to live very long,esp in higher performance vehicles.Many have gone to additives still avavilable such as E.O.S which is a GM sold product.
Fortunatly, there are a number of additives available to add that extra zinc for those engines (like my '66 Mustang). The GM part mentioned above, Comp Cams, and some other lesser known brands. I heard a rumor that STP oil treatment is very high in zinc, but don't know if that's true.
Diesel oils are also high in zinc. So if you need a 5W-30 for your old Mustang or Camero, get diesel.
The important point, here, is this. It doesn't apply to a Harley. It's a non-issue. Don't worry about.
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