rear head removal 1979 shovel
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Last night I ran into this very issue same year Shovel (mine is an 4-speed FXE kick & electric, rotary top btw), also an 80 incher with S&S jugs, rods & wheels in original stock frame & HD cases with matching serial numbers; and did some googling and found this thread...
I found a work around that did not require the engine removal that I thought it would after reading this last night...
On mine, I found that if I removed the first 3 rocker box nuts, front to back on the primary side... that gave me the c***-hair more room to get the rear one off without removing the engine...
big sigh of relief...
Maybe obvious to some, not so obvious to others, hoping it will save somebody a engine removal in the future just to change a fricking gasket.
FWIW The HD OEM Manual is the ONLY manual worth a nickel for this bike and it is greatly lacking in need to know info, makes way too many assumptions that whomever is working on the bike is a former or current HD factory employee... IMHO
I found a work around that did not require the engine removal that I thought it would after reading this last night...
On mine, I found that if I removed the first 3 rocker box nuts, front to back on the primary side... that gave me the c***-hair more room to get the rear one off without removing the engine...
big sigh of relief...
Maybe obvious to some, not so obvious to others, hoping it will save somebody a engine removal in the future just to change a fricking gasket.
FWIW The HD OEM Manual is the ONLY manual worth a nickel for this bike and it is greatly lacking in need to know info, makes way too many assumptions that whomever is working on the bike is a former or current HD factory employee... IMHO
Down side to that is installation , rough torquing the rocker boxes down with those nuts missing . S&S stuff always made for tight friggen fit on some engines had fit's with a few . I break all the motor mounts & bolts out anyway when the heads come off on shovels anymore as I do the old school engine seating & shimming to make sure it's level and true with all the mounts the align& shim the trans & primary , you'd be surprised how much vibration that can cut out , about an hours extra work but well worth it in shake reduction .
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#13
On the rough torquing...
What I was thinking for re-installation was to torque everything down as the manual recommends and then pull those outside first three nuts off for head re-installation...
Since they are also the easiest to get to after the head is installed, I do not foresee any issues there...
what do you think?
Also is the engine seating & shimming you mention covered in the OEM HD manual? Not sure I have seen that or not...
What I was thinking for re-installation was to torque everything down as the manual recommends and then pull those outside first three nuts off for head re-installation...
Since they are also the easiest to get to after the head is installed, I do not foresee any issues there...
what do you think?
Also is the engine seating & shimming you mention covered in the OEM HD manual? Not sure I have seen that or not...
#14
On the rough torquing...
What I was thinking for re-installation was to torque everything down as the manual recommends and then pull those outside first three nuts off for head re-installation...
Since they are also the easiest to get to after the head is installed, I do not foresee any issues there...
what do you think?
Also is the engine seating & shimming you mention covered in the OEM HD manual? Not sure I have seen that or not...
What I was thinking for re-installation was to torque everything down as the manual recommends and then pull those outside first three nuts off for head re-installation...
Since they are also the easiest to get to after the head is installed, I do not foresee any issues there...
what do you think?
Also is the engine seating & shimming you mention covered in the OEM HD manual? Not sure I have seen that or not...
Basicaly what you do it loosen all the mount bolts and top motor mount , inner primary loose and the trans studs loosened . Torque the rear motor mount bolts to spec then using a feeler gauge check under the front to frame fit , can't get a gauge in just install and torque those , if you have a gap cut the right thickness shim stock to size and install & torque the you do the top mount I tighten the rear first to see how much the motor mount is off and either bend to sit nice flush or washer it now do the same thing with the mount to frame . You just make sure everything is tight and nice fitting so nothing is pulled down when tightened , that causes a lot of transient vibration .
Next bolt & torque the primary to the motor and then the tranny , go up under with the feeler gauges and shim the trans to the mounting plate . I've had these off by a good 1/16th of an inch easy . Do all this and you'll be surprised how much shake goes away , oil leaks stop and the drive train just works better overall .
Ever see all the old cracked and busted inner primaries at swaps ? never saw the panheads with those issue just the shovels when the factory quit doing the bed & set on the line .
#15
Do some digging on line the old panhead manuals had the procedure in print , they dropped it with shovels . Can't find it PM I'll write something up for you it's worth doing , I've had the front motor mounts off as much as .030" on one side and the other was .010 /
Basicaly what you do it loosen all the mount bolts and top motor mount , inner primary loose and the trans studs loosened . Torque the rear motor mount bolts to spec then using a feeler gauge check under the front to frame fit , can't get a gauge in just install and torque those , if you have a gap cut the right thickness shim stock to size and install & torque the you do the top mount I tighten the rear first to see how much the motor mount is off and either bend to sit nice flush or washer it now do the same thing with the mount to frame . You just make sure everything is tight and nice fitting so nothing is pulled down when tightened , that causes a lot of transient vibration .
Next bolt & torque the primary to the motor and then the tranny , go up under with the feeler gauges and shim the trans to the mounting plate . I've had these off by a good 1/16th of an inch easy . Do all this and you'll be surprised how much shake goes away , oil leaks stop and the drive train just works better overall .
Ever see all the old cracked and busted inner primaries at swaps ? never saw the panheads with those issue just the shovels when the factory quit doing the bed & set on the line .
Basicaly what you do it loosen all the mount bolts and top motor mount , inner primary loose and the trans studs loosened . Torque the rear motor mount bolts to spec then using a feeler gauge check under the front to frame fit , can't get a gauge in just install and torque those , if you have a gap cut the right thickness shim stock to size and install & torque the you do the top mount I tighten the rear first to see how much the motor mount is off and either bend to sit nice flush or washer it now do the same thing with the mount to frame . You just make sure everything is tight and nice fitting so nothing is pulled down when tightened , that causes a lot of transient vibration .
Next bolt & torque the primary to the motor and then the tranny , go up under with the feeler gauges and shim the trans to the mounting plate . I've had these off by a good 1/16th of an inch easy . Do all this and you'll be surprised how much shake goes away , oil leaks stop and the drive train just works better overall .
Ever see all the old cracked and busted inner primaries at swaps ? never saw the panheads with those issue just the shovels when the factory quit doing the bed & set on the line .
much obliged.
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thanks
thank you TwiZted Biker, I figure as much but wanted to hear from someone with some experience on the subject.
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