why I feel SICK to my stomack...
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why I feel SICK to my stomack...
ran across these articles when I was new to our beloved twin cam softail scoot. Three years later and a bit more wiser? And I'm heart broken. Or maybe worse.
Bottom line is that with out a major invest in both time and money, I may be faced with some really tough choices.
If you can shed some light on what I've read in these articles, it would really help.
Read the first one, than the second. Some of you may want to grab a box of tissues first...
Sigh... http://www.baggersmag.com/twin-cam-e...twisting-crank and; http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.bi...buyharley.html
" TWIN CAM Troubles It looks like the TC engines are having problems again in the cam shaft area. There are documented problems where the cam bearing support plate and cam bearings fail. This is occurs on stock bikes and modified bikes. When the problem occurs, it can result in catastrophic failure of the cams, cam bearings, cam support plate, cam chain tensioners, blown oil pump and lifters. The fix is very expensive, a failure is even more expensive.
If you have an aftermarket cam shafts, most Harley-Davidson Dealers are not covering this under warranty. There are two repair kits from Harley-Davidson that contain the parts to fix this problem.
Fuel injected models require part number 24984-99.
Carburetor models require part number 24985-99.
There is an extensive list of components is this repair kit including camshafts, cam bearings, cam bearing support plate, cam sprocket, cam chain, cam tensioner, oil pump, hydraulic lifters and gaskets.
A complete description of this problem was published in the December 2000 American Iron Magazine page 28.
Harley-Davidson Service Bulletin M-1100 "Cam Bearing Repair Kits" issued July 10, 2000 defines the problem and repair.End Quote; Night Rider
Bottom line is that with out a major invest in both time and money, I may be faced with some really tough choices.
If you can shed some light on what I've read in these articles, it would really help.
Read the first one, than the second. Some of you may want to grab a box of tissues first...
Sigh... http://www.baggersmag.com/twin-cam-e...twisting-crank and; http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.bi...buyharley.html
" TWIN CAM Troubles It looks like the TC engines are having problems again in the cam shaft area. There are documented problems where the cam bearing support plate and cam bearings fail. This is occurs on stock bikes and modified bikes. When the problem occurs, it can result in catastrophic failure of the cams, cam bearings, cam support plate, cam chain tensioners, blown oil pump and lifters. The fix is very expensive, a failure is even more expensive.
If you have an aftermarket cam shafts, most Harley-Davidson Dealers are not covering this under warranty. There are two repair kits from Harley-Davidson that contain the parts to fix this problem.
Fuel injected models require part number 24984-99.
Carburetor models require part number 24985-99.
There is an extensive list of components is this repair kit including camshafts, cam bearings, cam bearing support plate, cam sprocket, cam chain, cam tensioner, oil pump, hydraulic lifters and gaskets.
A complete description of this problem was published in the December 2000 American Iron Magazine page 28.
Harley-Davidson Service Bulletin M-1100 "Cam Bearing Repair Kits" issued July 10, 2000 defines the problem and repair.End Quote; Night Rider
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Well, the first article I read didn't contain a date past '06, so that's already a decade old load of crap. As for the second article, I found so many holes, lack of supporting data, hear say, and just straight out BS that I got tired of reading the stupid thing. That's really all I have to say about it.
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It's all true. We all know about how much easier to maintain and more reliable Jap bikes are. But, so does the guy that picks an American muscle car over a Celica. The twin-cam motor is junk compared to just about everything else. I love reading Jame's rants! Even though he is highly repetitive, he is spot on when it comes to the twin-cam's know problems and especially how dealerships act stupid. He's right that if you buy a twin-cam, you owe it to yourself to learn how to work on it. He's funny, "Imagine if you bought a new car and they tell you you must have the engine disassembled every 15,000 to keep your warranty! Nobody does that to customers, but Harley-Davidson? Not cool, bro. Not cool at all."
Doesn't make me want to run out and trade in my awesome Softail for a sporty. No way. But I did learn how to pop the cover off my Softail (without removing the exhaust) to check the tensioner shoes and do so every other oil change. I also know that when I build that hard tail chop I've always wanted, I'll use either a new S&S motor or a sporty motor (if funds are tight). Wouldn't even think about a twin-cam. Food for thought!
Doesn't make me want to run out and trade in my awesome Softail for a sporty. No way. But I did learn how to pop the cover off my Softail (without removing the exhaust) to check the tensioner shoes and do so every other oil change. I also know that when I build that hard tail chop I've always wanted, I'll use either a new S&S motor or a sporty motor (if funds are tight). Wouldn't even think about a twin-cam. Food for thought!
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It's all true. We all know about how much easier to maintain and more reliable Jap bikes are. But, so does the guy that picks an American muscle car over a Celica. The twin-cam motor is junk compared to just about everything else. I love reading Jame's rants! Even though he is highly repetitive, he is spot on when it comes to the twin-cam's know problems and especially how dealerships act stupid. He's right that if you buy a twin-cam, you owe it to yourself to learn how to work on it. He's funny, "Imagine if you bought a new car and they tell you you must have the engine disassembled every 15,000 to keep your warranty! Nobody does that to customers, but Harley-Davidson? Not cool, bro. Not cool at all."
Doesn't make me want to run out and trade in my awesome Softail for a sporty. No way. But I did learn how to pop the cover off my Softail (without removing the exhaust) to check the tensioner shoes and do so every other oil change. I also know that when I build that hard tail chop I've always wanted, I'll use either a new S&S motor or a sporty motor (if funds are tight). Wouldn't even think about a twin-cam. Food for thought!
Doesn't make me want to run out and trade in my awesome Softail for a sporty. No way. But I did learn how to pop the cover off my Softail (without removing the exhaust) to check the tensioner shoes and do so every other oil change. I also know that when I build that hard tail chop I've always wanted, I'll use either a new S&S motor or a sporty motor (if funds are tight). Wouldn't even think about a twin-cam. Food for thought!
I've worked in the auto repair business for close to 30 years now and have worked a 5 different dealerships.
I've seen the same things with all of them, recalls and TSBs for every manufacturer... No mass produced product is untouched.
I've rebuilt transmissions with 18k miles on them so I guess that means they're all junk.
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ran across these articles when I was new to our beloved twin cam softail scoot. Three years later and a bit more wiser? And I'm heart broken. Or maybe worse.
Bottom line is that with out a major invest in both time and money, I may be faced with some really tough choices.
If you can shed some light on what I've read in these articles, it would really help.
Read the first one, than the second. Some of you may want to grab a box of tissues first...
Sigh... http://www.baggersmag.com/twin-cam-e...twisting-crank and; http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.bi...buyharley.html
" TWIN CAM Troubles It looks like the TC engines are having problems again in the cam shaft area. There are documented problems where the cam bearing support plate and cam bearings fail. This is occurs on stock bikes and modified bikes. When the problem occurs, it can result in catastrophic failure of the cams, cam bearings, cam support plate, cam chain tensioners, blown oil pump and lifters. The fix is very expensive, a failure is even more expensive.
If you have an aftermarket cam shafts, most Harley-Davidson Dealers are not covering this under warranty. There are two repair kits from Harley-Davidson that contain the parts to fix this problem.
Fuel injected models require part number 24984-99.
Carburetor models require part number 24985-99.
There is an extensive list of components is this repair kit including camshafts, cam bearings, cam bearing support plate, cam sprocket, cam chain, cam tensioner, oil pump, hydraulic lifters and gaskets.
A complete description of this problem was published in the December 2000 American Iron Magazine page 28.
Harley-Davidson Service Bulletin M-1100 "Cam Bearing Repair Kits" issued July 10, 2000 defines the problem and repair.End Quote; Night Rider
Bottom line is that with out a major invest in both time and money, I may be faced with some really tough choices.
If you can shed some light on what I've read in these articles, it would really help.
Read the first one, than the second. Some of you may want to grab a box of tissues first...
Sigh... http://www.baggersmag.com/twin-cam-e...twisting-crank and; http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.bi...buyharley.html
" TWIN CAM Troubles It looks like the TC engines are having problems again in the cam shaft area. There are documented problems where the cam bearing support plate and cam bearings fail. This is occurs on stock bikes and modified bikes. When the problem occurs, it can result in catastrophic failure of the cams, cam bearings, cam support plate, cam chain tensioners, blown oil pump and lifters. The fix is very expensive, a failure is even more expensive.
If you have an aftermarket cam shafts, most Harley-Davidson Dealers are not covering this under warranty. There are two repair kits from Harley-Davidson that contain the parts to fix this problem.
Fuel injected models require part number 24984-99.
Carburetor models require part number 24985-99.
There is an extensive list of components is this repair kit including camshafts, cam bearings, cam bearing support plate, cam sprocket, cam chain, cam tensioner, oil pump, hydraulic lifters and gaskets.
A complete description of this problem was published in the December 2000 American Iron Magazine page 28.
Harley-Davidson Service Bulletin M-1100 "Cam Bearing Repair Kits" issued July 10, 2000 defines the problem and repair.End Quote; Night Rider