ADM's 2018 114" Fat Bob thread.....
#111
10-26-2017, 06:02 PM
HD EFI Guru
I'll check what my dealer billed me for the work as I picked up the bike last night and didn't even bother to look at labour on the invoice... I was too impatient and just wanted to take it for a rip! I'm at work atm, so I'll have a look in a few hours when i get home.
That said... my first blush impression of the TQ cam and Street Cannons.
TQ cam... HOLLY SHEEET what a difference. The bike feels waaaay more responsive on the throttle, and my god does she pull now... just roll on and hang on. Seriously... the only bike I can compare this too is my old 2001 VMAX. If you are on the fence about the TQ cam, hop off and just get it done. I was at the HD dealer when the tech brought it back from a test ride, and it would have taken surgery to remove the massive grin on his face.
Street Cannons... very disappointed... not much better than the stock sound initially, but may deepen as they break in. It does have a little bark when you crack it, but nothing great. I have heard other examples of M8's with basically the same setup (TQ cam and Street Cannons) that sound pretty damn good (DanBO18's thread), which I was hoping my bike would sound like. Looking forward to hearing the slipons from S&S. I'll post a video soon so you can hear the sound for yourself.
That said... I'm happy the bike is in beast mode now, but will be even happier once I get the sound worked out.
Cheers!
That said... my first blush impression of the TQ cam and Street Cannons.
TQ cam... HOLLY SHEEET what a difference. The bike feels waaaay more responsive on the throttle, and my god does she pull now... just roll on and hang on. Seriously... the only bike I can compare this too is my old 2001 VMAX. If you are on the fence about the TQ cam, hop off and just get it done. I was at the HD dealer when the tech brought it back from a test ride, and it would have taken surgery to remove the massive grin on his face.
Street Cannons... very disappointed... not much better than the stock sound initially, but may deepen as they break in. It does have a little bark when you crack it, but nothing great. I have heard other examples of M8's with basically the same setup (TQ cam and Street Cannons) that sound pretty damn good (DanBO18's thread), which I was hoping my bike would sound like. Looking forward to hearing the slipons from S&S. I'll post a video soon so you can hear the sound for yourself.
That said... I'm happy the bike is in beast mode now, but will be even happier once I get the sound worked out.
Cheers!
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Dread (10-26-2017)
#112
10-26-2017, 06:02 PM
Grand HDF Member
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#113
10-26-2017, 06:26 PM
Stage IV
10 hours 
...even going in through the top ...are they peed you didn't buy the bike off them or something?
Waiting for the lifters to bleed down may possibly waste an hour but they can be putting the exhaust back on, and re-flashing the ECU in that time. 3 hours, 4 tops.
Are they including a tuner/re-flash ...just thinking about all of the debate around warranties and who does the work and if you are keeping yourself covered in that regard (PV on hand with tune ready and all)
...even going in through the top ...are they peed you didn't buy the bike off them or something?Waiting for the lifters to bleed down may possibly waste an hour but they can be putting the exhaust back on, and re-flashing the ECU in that time. 3 hours, 4 tops.
Are they including a tuner/re-flash ...just thinking about all of the debate around warranties and who does the work and if you are keeping yourself covered in that regard (PV on hand with tune ready and all)
My local DEALERS are all quoting 10 hours on cam replacements... I refuse to pay that but realize that I'm not the guy who should be doing that kind of "surgery" on a new bike... I really wanted to make the swap but at this point will just be holding off. I'm in Southeast Michigan so if anyone has a dealer in the area at 4 hours let me know...
#114
10-26-2017, 08:12 PM
Yea, I think the Canons tone will adjust once I get some more miles on the bike (it rarely snows in Victoria and I pretty much ride year round... not so lucky in other parts of Canada). Will be waiting until next spring before I decide on different slippons, but realy have my eye on S&S. Waiting patiently for ADM's S&S slipons to arrive so he can post a review / sound bite.
Oh yea, my dealer charged me 7 hours labor for the stage II install. Wish it was 4 hours like others have been quoted, but it's done now and i'm happy.
Cheers!
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Thingfish (10-27-2017)
#115
10-26-2017, 09:01 PM
6th Gear
S&S
Well.... I got a little time on the bike with Fuel Moto's "Stock Improved" tune today.
First impressions are that it feels "better" - which isn't very helpful. What it does feel like is a little more powerful and a bit smoother on opening the throttle. This is all a bit subjective as it was powerful and smooth before.
My butt dyno says that there is a bit more torque further to the right of the curve. It doesn't seem to drop off so soon. I also found myself changing gear slightly less.
The bike was also a bit smoother in stop and go traffic.
All in all - not night and day (which you wouldn't expect anyway), but a definite improvement.
I'll try a bit of autotuning tomorrow or at the weekend and see how it goes.
Then hopefully S&S slip ons next week.....
First impressions are that it feels "better" - which isn't very helpful. What it does feel like is a little more powerful and a bit smoother on opening the throttle. This is all a bit subjective as it was powerful and smooth before.
My butt dyno says that there is a bit more torque further to the right of the curve. It doesn't seem to drop off so soon. I also found myself changing gear slightly less.
The bike was also a bit smoother in stop and go traffic.
All in all - not night and day (which you wouldn't expect anyway), but a definite improvement.
I'll try a bit of autotuning tomorrow or at the weekend and see how it goes.
Then hopefully S&S slip ons next week.....
https://www.sscycle.com/products/550g-gear-drive-camshaft-kit-for-2017-18-m8-touring-models/
Thoughts?
#116
10-26-2017, 09:34 PM
Road Master
Oh man... you are in for a treat! Can not wait to hear your thoughts! It realy does wake the 114 right up... I'm freakin loving it (insert massive shiet eating grin here).
Yea, I think the Canons tone will adjust once I get some more miles on the bike (it rarely snows in Victoria and I pretty much ride year round... not so lucky in other parts of Canada). Will be waiting until next spring before I decide on different slippons, but realy have my eye on S&S. Waiting patiently for ADM's S&S slipons to arrive so he can post a review / sound bite.
Oh yea, my dealer charged me 7 hours labor for the stage II install. Wish it was 4 hours like others have been quoted, but it's done now and i'm happy.
Cheers!
Yea, I think the Canons tone will adjust once I get some more miles on the bike (it rarely snows in Victoria and I pretty much ride year round... not so lucky in other parts of Canada). Will be waiting until next spring before I decide on different slippons, but realy have my eye on S&S. Waiting patiently for ADM's S&S slipons to arrive so he can post a review / sound bite.
Oh yea, my dealer charged me 7 hours labor for the stage II install. Wish it was 4 hours like others have been quoted, but it's done now and i'm happy.
Cheers!
#118
10-27-2017, 07:02 AM
Road Warrior
They have to remove the A/C to get to the pushrods and probably have to drop the exhausts to get the cam cover off.
...unless they went in through the top, which is a maybe a wee bitty more complicated on the oil/water cooled motors.
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Thingfish (10-27-2017)
#119
10-27-2017, 09:26 AM
Grand HDF Member
Oh man... you are in for a treat! Can not wait to hear your thoughts! It realy does wake the 114 right up... I'm freakin loving it (insert massive shiet eating grin here).
Yea, I think the Canons tone will adjust once I get some more miles on the bike (it rarely snows in Victoria and I pretty much ride year round... not so lucky in other parts of Canada). Will be waiting until next spring before I decide on different slippons, but realy have my eye on S&S. Waiting patiently for ADM's S&S slipons to arrive so he can post a review / sound bite.
Oh yea, my dealer charged me 7 hours labor for the stage II install. Wish it was 4 hours like others have been quoted, but it's done now and i'm happy.
Cheers!
Yea, I think the Canons tone will adjust once I get some more miles on the bike (it rarely snows in Victoria and I pretty much ride year round... not so lucky in other parts of Canada). Will be waiting until next spring before I decide on different slippons, but realy have my eye on S&S. Waiting patiently for ADM's S&S slipons to arrive so he can post a review / sound bite.
Oh yea, my dealer charged me 7 hours labor for the stage II install. Wish it was 4 hours like others have been quoted, but it's done now and i'm happy.
Cheers!
#120
10-27-2017, 09:30 AM
Grand HDF Member
One thing to think about there, is a 1+2 shouldn't be any more than a 2 ...just in case they are using that angle to inflate time/cost
They have to remove the A/C to get to the pushrods and probably have to drop the exhausts to get the cam cover off.
...unless they went in through the top, which is a maybe a wee bitty more complicated on the oil/water cooled motors.
They have to remove the A/C to get to the pushrods and probably have to drop the exhausts to get the cam cover off.
...unless they went in through the top, which is a maybe a wee bitty more complicated on the oil/water cooled motors.