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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 09:58 PM
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Prices are starting to rebound from the covid bullshit and demand.. I've been looking for Pre 99 FXST sliders and many decent ones are over $300. I have expressed interest in several sets that I found on eBay and 2 weeks later I started to get 20-37% off offers from the sellers.. As said with the way everything has gone up, "FREE MONEY" post Covid is exhausted and the market has and is adjusting.. February will be one of the best "BUYERS MARKET" we have seen in a long time... Just be careful with DJIA.... I think we'll see major adjustments there....
I wouldn't give blue book too much thought. It's worth what someone will pay. I have a 2000 sitting here to work on the guy just bought from a friend of mine for $7000 and it was in a fire!.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 10:55 PM
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I wouldn't give blue book too much thought. It's worth what someone will pay. I have a 2000 sitting here to work on the guy just bought from a friend of mine for $7000 and it was in a fire!.

That's what most people say when they overvalue their bike/car/truck/house/whatever.....

While that is technically a true statement, it doesn't mean that's the value of that year, make, model, of bike. It only means that in that place, and at that time, someone was willing to pay that much for that bike... I'm sure there has to be a more technical process that Black Book (and others) use to set their: Average Retail, Auction Wholesale, Clean Trade, Fair Trade, and Finance Advance prices... I was told it was buy collecting and averaging actual sales numbers, not asking prices...

That fact that someone bought a 2000 Harley that's been in a fire for $7K is proof that emotional buyers are unconcerned about a bikes actual value. You will never convince me that a 2000 Harley fire bike is worth $7000k, just because someone was willing to pay that much for it...

Many Harley buyers are emotional buyers. Emotional buyers are most often willing to overpay (for anything). They are certainly out there, more so in the Harley Market, but I don't believe they are a true measure of a vehicle's market value... As part of total sales numbers, they will/can influence a bike's market value... Probably why prices skyrocketed across the board during the pandemic

Unless I am mistaken about how Black Book and JD Powers decide on their prices (if someone knows I'm wrong about that, please school me on where they get their numbers), I'll trust their values, especially when buying a bike, over the opinion of the guy (or especially a dealer) selling it....

I am not against paying above "average market value" for a bike I believe is an above average example for that model/year bike... but that is a subjective evaluation that will change from person to person and bike to bike. Knowing the average market value will give me a place to start when selling or buying.

I'm also not condemning anyone listing a bike for over market value, in an attempt to find "that guy" who will want the bike so bad he'll overpay for it... "caveat emptor".....

Again, just sharing my personal opinion.....
 

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Old Dec 1, 2022 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by hattitude
That's what most people say when they overvalue their bike/car/truck/house/whatever.....

While that is technically a true statement, it doesn't mean that's the value of that year, make, model, of bike. It only means that in that place, and at that time, someone was willing to pay that much for that bike... I'm sure there has to be a more technical process that Black Book (and others) use to set their: Average Retail, Auction Wholesale, Clean Trade, Fair Trade, and Finance Advance prices... I was told it was buy collecting and averaging actual sales numbers, not asking prices...

That fact that someone bought a 2000 Harley that's been in a fire for $7K is proof that emotional buyers are unconcerned about a bikes actual value. You will never convince me that a 2000 Harley fire bike is worth $7000k, just because someone was willing to pay that much for it...

Many Harley buyers are emotional buyers. Emotional buyers are most often willing to overpay (for anything). They are certainly out there, more so in the Harley Market, but I don't believe they are a true measure of a vehicle's market value... As part of total sales numbers, they will/can influence a bike's market value... Probably why prices skyrocketed across the board during the pandemic

Unless I am mistaken about how Black Book and JD Powers decide on their prices (if someone knows I'm wrong about that, please school me on where they get their numbers), I'll trust their values, especially when buying a bike, over the opinion of the guy (or especially a dealer) selling it....

I am not against paying above "average market value" for a bike I believe is an above average example for that model/year bike... but that is a subjective evaluation that will change from person to person and bike to bike. Knowing the average market value will give me a place to start when selling or buying.

I'm also not condemning anyone listing a bike for over market value, in an attempt to find "that guy" who will want the bike so bad he'll overpay for it... "caveat emptor".....

Again, just sharing my personal opinion.....
This is how most buyers should look at a Purchase.. It would put into perspective the actually value not an inflated idea of what it should be...Are we coming back to "Common Sense"???
 
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Old Dec 1, 2022 | 07:35 AM
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The night train is very desirable bike and if it's an excellent shape I would start at 9k.
I have an 06 standard with a lot of cosmetic work, 15k miles and have been offered 11 as recently as September. I took it by the dealer and he said I should get 12 for easily. Problem is I don't want to sell it.





 
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