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Old 09-21-2017, 10:07 AM
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Hi peeps,

Been unable to ride lately cuz old sporty's dead; turn on ignition, no power, nothing lights up. I thought I had identified a loose horn wire or a bad horn switch relay but that was not it.

So now I have a short somewhere in the electrical wiring (and it killed the battery too). How would you go about identifying where that short is?

Thank you for reading me. 07 XL1200L if that matters. Battery was replaced in 2016.
 
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No power, no lights....sounds like bad ground or fuse to me. How do you know your issue is a short? Do some things work? A bit more info may help others pipe in to assist.
 
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Start at your main 30 amp breaker. If the whole bike is dead, as there are multiple breakers in the system and to have them all go bad at once is highly unlikly.
Even if you have fuses the same would apply.
 
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No power, no lights....sounds like bad ground or fuse to me. How do you know your issue is a short? Do some things work? A bit more info may help others pipe in to assist.
Nothing works since last week. Here is how it started, I got ready to ride to work:
  1. I turned on the ignition
  2. Everything lights up.
  3. I hear a buzzz and the bike goes completely dark
  4. Turn ignition off and on again. Nothing lights up.

I don't know anything for sure. I am just suspecting it's a short because after I heard that buzz, my 2016 battery was completely dead. I put it on trickle tender to be recharged but 4 days later, it's is still not charged. The tender LED is still solid yellow. And just to make sure nothing keeps draining, I pulled out the main fuse, the one that's right next to the battery inside the left cover.

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Start at your main 30 amp breaker. If the whole bike is dead, as there are multiple breakers in the system and to have them all go bad at once is highly unlikly.
Even if you have fuses the same would apply.
Thanks, where is that main 30 amp breaker located? Whole bike is definitely dead.
 
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sounds more like a bad battery cable connection
 
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Disconnect the battery positive. Remove all your fuses including the 30 amp maxi fuse and check to ensure none of them have blown. Make sure the disconnected positive terminal is isolated from the frame. Using an insulation/continuity tester carry out an insulation/continuity check either side of the maxi fuse terminals A and B to ground, this will check that the main feeds are not shorting. I suspect that a short of that magnitude will be before the 30 amp fuse or the fuse would have blown. If you find nothing connect the battery and turn on the ignition then using an ammeter check across the terminals of the maxi fuse again for current draw, there should be none. Refit the maxi fuse again using the ammeter check momentarily for current draw across the terminals of all the remaining removed fuses. These simple checks if you have access to a multimeter should point you in the right direction in under half an hour.
 

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Originally Posted by lewk
I put it on trickle tender to be recharged but 4 days later, it's is still not charged. The tender LED is still solid yellow. And just to make sure nothing keeps draining, I pulled out the main fuse, the one that's right next to the battery inside the left cover.
I would disconnect and remove the battery from the bike.
"Battery tenders" are designed to keep a charged battery charged and often don't put out enough current (amps) to charge (recover) a stone dead battery. You may need to get a ~2 amp charger to do the job and it should be charged in 6-7 hours at 2 amps. Once charged, take it to an auto parts store and have it "load tested". Yes, even though the battery was replaced last year, if it got totally drained (killed), it may need to be replaced.

This may not solve a possible "short", but you're not going anywhere without a good battery.
 
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Some good tips above. As cHarley points out we cannot solve anything without a sound battery, so sort that out first, as suggested. 72 points out that the sound you heard could be from a bad main battery connection, the most likely culprits being the other ends of each main battery cable, away from the battery.
 
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Originally Posted by 72 Ironhead XLH
sounds more like a bad battery cable connection
Thanks, I can check that. I just don't know where to start, so any and every suggestion is helpful!
Originally Posted by K9F
Disconnect the battery positive. Remove all your fuses including the 30 amp maxi fuse and check to ensure none of them have blown...
Will do. Of course, fuses are a prime suspect.
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... Using an insulation/continuity tester carry out an insulation/continuity check either side of the maxi fuse terminals A and B to ground, this will check that the main feeds are not shorting. I suspect that a short of that magnitude will be before the 30 amp fuse or the fuse would have blown. If you find nothing connect the battery and turn on the ignition then using an ammeter check across the terminals of the maxi fuse again for current draw, there should be none. Refit the maxi fuse again using the ammeter check momentarily for current draw across the terminals of all the remaining removed fuses. These simple checks if you have access to a multimeter should point you in the right direction in under half an hour.
This sounds involved. Time to get a multimeter it seems...
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... This may not solve a possible "short", but you're not going anywhere without a good battery.
Good point, Thanks. Ordered a 2-4A 12V charger from walmart.com, arriving in 2 days.
Originally Posted by grbrown
... As cHarley points out we cannot solve anything without a sound battery, so sort that out first...
Agreed. This is the first thing I addressed.
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... 72 points out that the sound you heard could be from a bad main battery connection...
I am really hoping it's gonna be something that simple. I am soooo not a mechanic/electrician

Thanks guys, will report back on what I find in due time.
 

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