Sporty running too lean or rich...
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RE: Sporty running too lean or rich...
ORIGINAL: jagular1785
After driving the bike more this weekend, observing exactly when and where the bike is coughing, I am pretty sure that it is VERY rich. Also, taking josephgarcia's advice on the enircher useage and spark changing, the bike has not changed at all; it still has a dead portion in the throttle, and a cough.
The cough confused me at first because it seemed like not enough fuel, and therefore not firing. With more observation, the cough only happens after i speed up, and back off with the throttle. This tells me it has too much gas/ not enough air: overly rich.
Does this seem reasonable?
After driving the bike more this weekend, observing exactly when and where the bike is coughing, I am pretty sure that it is VERY rich. Also, taking josephgarcia's advice on the enircher useage and spark changing, the bike has not changed at all; it still has a dead portion in the throttle, and a cough.
The cough confused me at first because it seemed like not enough fuel, and therefore not firing. With more observation, the cough only happens after i speed up, and back off with the throttle. This tells me it has too much gas/ not enough air: overly rich.
Does this seem reasonable?
only do it if your area isnt too dusty, and if you do it, dont ride near any construction sites or anything. its actually a bad idea, a tiny bit of sand inside will ruin your rings and everything. if the conditions are right, i would say try it and see if that helps or makes it worse, that could help you determine the cuase.
another very important part is the height of the float. read this http://www.xs11.com/tips/maintenance/maint20.shtml
the "correct" setting in the manual may be different if you modded your bike. put it lower for leaner, higher for richer, small settings make a huge difference.
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RE: Sporty running too lean or rich...
Someone once told me if you go into third and give it the meat, and then back off, if it surges, the main jet is too lean. Mine did this until I had it dyno'd.They changed the main jetand things are wonderfull. Everything you are saying I had the sameissues. But it all pointed to the lean side.
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RE: Sporty running too lean or rich...
ORIGINAL: bigtop1
Here's a link to help you find the adjustment screw. http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hd_cv_mods.htm
It also has some good information on the Keilin CV carb. As you look at the carb from the right side of the bike, the screw will be on the left side of the carb body identified with a slight protrusion. It is more toward the front half of the carb body. If the carb has never been adjusted, then the stamped metal cover has to be removed. This is done by drilling a small hole to start a screw, which then will allow it to be removed. There are only two screwdriver adjustment points on the CV carb. One is for the idle speed, the other is for the air/fuel. Remember, you are working upside down to find this point unless you take off the carb from the bike. It would be much easier to do it off of the bike but, it can be done with it on and, pulledoff of the intake manifold.
Here's a link to help you find the adjustment screw. http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hd_cv_mods.htm
It also has some good information on the Keilin CV carb. As you look at the carb from the right side of the bike, the screw will be on the left side of the carb body identified with a slight protrusion. It is more toward the front half of the carb body. If the carb has never been adjusted, then the stamped metal cover has to be removed. This is done by drilling a small hole to start a screw, which then will allow it to be removed. There are only two screwdriver adjustment points on the CV carb. One is for the idle speed, the other is for the air/fuel. Remember, you are working upside down to find this point unless you take off the carb from the bike. It would be much easier to do it off of the bike but, it can be done with it on and, pulledoff of the intake manifold.
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RE: Sporty running too lean or rich...
EFI bikes require trip to dealer.$$$$$$$ Jagular, you definately need to get into your air/fuel adjustment and start backing it out in increments and see if that fixes the problem. Did you buy the bike new? I know some people that have bought used bikes and the seller took off some custom parts they had installed. Namelyaftermarket exhaust,air cleaneretc... but they leave the carb jetted and adjusted for the better flowing parts. When the factoryair cleanerand exhaust are put back on it leaves the carb way rich. Just a thought to ponder.
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RE: Sporty running too lean or rich...
Well, I bought the thing used, just last year. The guy won't admit this, but he put the bike over; and he had given up riding it. The bike was exceptionally clean, and he asked 4500$, but was easily talked to 4K. I wondered this, as for a 2001 with 2500 miles on it, it seemed rather good. The more i have been cleaning it, the more things I have found. The foot brake pedal is scratched severely underneath. I originally thought he just barely got it on to the foot pegs, but then upon closer inspection, the rear turn signal and the TOP of the shock on the right side has scratches as well. And to top it all off, the air filter was at one time crunched in the direction that would say the bike was traveling foreward on its side.
In short, I got a very decent bike for over 2k less than the cheapest it would have gone from a dealer around here. This is, of course , minus the minor cosmetics but in all reality, they don't bother me. The bike will be running very well soon, and I got very nice V&H shorty duals, a better looking(to me) air cleaner cover, and a hardly broken in 883 sporty motor. Yeah, it would have been nice to have been at least told, but there is nothing seriously mechanicly wrong, and other than blow-by, oil gasket leakage and the problem discussed here, nothing else wrong that I can think of.
I might end up replacing the crunched filter element with a better one. And before anyone asks, the performance of the filter is not compromised by its being crunched, as far as I can see. Its just bent slightly on the bottom. If anything, it is helping because it is letting more air in, not less.
In short, I got a very decent bike for over 2k less than the cheapest it would have gone from a dealer around here. This is, of course , minus the minor cosmetics but in all reality, they don't bother me. The bike will be running very well soon, and I got very nice V&H shorty duals, a better looking(to me) air cleaner cover, and a hardly broken in 883 sporty motor. Yeah, it would have been nice to have been at least told, but there is nothing seriously mechanicly wrong, and other than blow-by, oil gasket leakage and the problem discussed here, nothing else wrong that I can think of.
I might end up replacing the crunched filter element with a better one. And before anyone asks, the performance of the filter is not compromised by its being crunched, as far as I can see. Its just bent slightly on the bottom. If anything, it is helping because it is letting more air in, not less.
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RE: Sporty running too lean or rich...
Alright, its been adjusted. Strange thing though...the mixture screw was completely seated. Obviously the problem, yes, but im just curious as to why the factory had this screw set here. Oh well, the problem has been solved. I have yet to take it on the interstate, but that will happen soon, as will the fine tuning. \\;
Now all thats left is the rocker box gaskets leakage and blow-by. This will have to wait until winter, I fear, because I won't have enough time to tear into the bike until riding weather is done.
Now all thats left is the rocker box gaskets leakage and blow-by. This will have to wait until winter, I fear, because I won't have enough time to tear into the bike until riding weather is done.
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