Clutch Alert!
#1
Clutch Alert!
Just a head's up on a real problem with the Sporty clutch. The stock design uses an additional spring plate in the center of the clutch pack. It is a double plate with small springs between the main plate. These plates are all held together by brass rivets.
Those rivets are the weakest link in the entire drive mechanism! My first clutch went out around 25,000 miles. At first I just thought I could adjust it. Could never get it adjusted right. Finally took it to the dealer (it was still under warranty) and they thought they could adjust it. After working with it for about 4 hours, the dealer decided something inside was screwed up. And they ordered everything inside that could possibly be wrong so they could make a quick repair for me.
Two weeks later, the parts were all in, and I was able to make the trip to that particular dealer. Once they opened up the clutch basket, it was a surprise to all. Everyone of those rivets and springs had come out, and had been floating around inside. That had caused the clutch hub and Shell to also be trashed. They had not ordered a shell or hub, and I couldn't fault them for that.
When my last clutch started failing, it was showing the same signs (after 40,000 miles on the second clutch). The signs of the center spring plate coming apart is that the clutch will both slip and drag. In theory that's impossible, but that's how the clutch reacts to those extra parts floating around inside the clutch basket.
The only clutch I could find that doesn't use that same center spring plate design was the HD Screamin Eagle clutch. It replaces that center spring plate with 2 extra friction plates and steel plates. Word of caution if you deside to go this route....that is one freekin stiff clutch! Part of the reason for the center spring plate design was to make the clutch pull easier, and then the outter spring also has to be stiffer on the Screamin Eagle clutch. Between those two, it makes for a very hard clutch pull, also a very reactive clutch. The friction zone is small on the SE clutch. Once you start letting it out, that baby will GO.
This is a picture of most of the parts I dug out from the center spring plate when I replaced it last week.
Those rivets are the weakest link in the entire drive mechanism! My first clutch went out around 25,000 miles. At first I just thought I could adjust it. Could never get it adjusted right. Finally took it to the dealer (it was still under warranty) and they thought they could adjust it. After working with it for about 4 hours, the dealer decided something inside was screwed up. And they ordered everything inside that could possibly be wrong so they could make a quick repair for me.
Two weeks later, the parts were all in, and I was able to make the trip to that particular dealer. Once they opened up the clutch basket, it was a surprise to all. Everyone of those rivets and springs had come out, and had been floating around inside. That had caused the clutch hub and Shell to also be trashed. They had not ordered a shell or hub, and I couldn't fault them for that.
When my last clutch started failing, it was showing the same signs (after 40,000 miles on the second clutch). The signs of the center spring plate coming apart is that the clutch will both slip and drag. In theory that's impossible, but that's how the clutch reacts to those extra parts floating around inside the clutch basket.
The only clutch I could find that doesn't use that same center spring plate design was the HD Screamin Eagle clutch. It replaces that center spring plate with 2 extra friction plates and steel plates. Word of caution if you deside to go this route....that is one freekin stiff clutch! Part of the reason for the center spring plate design was to make the clutch pull easier, and then the outter spring also has to be stiffer on the Screamin Eagle clutch. Between those two, it makes for a very hard clutch pull, also a very reactive clutch. The friction zone is small on the SE clutch. Once you start letting it out, that baby will GO.
This is a picture of most of the parts I dug out from the center spring plate when I replaced it last week.
Last edited by SportyPig; 02-13-2010 at 02:35 PM.
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#6
clutch drag problem
Thanks for the info....I am currently experiencing the very same problem on my '06 1200xlc. It's gotta be that spring in the center. I kept asking people and most where saying it's my adjuster....but most of those people don't know anything about a Sportster....they all have a Big Twin....and all say it's NOT the clutch. I can adjust it...and then it's okay for a spell....but then the clutch drags and the adjustment goes way out....like 3/8th's at the clutch lever. It gets had to find neutral to the point I have to shut down the motor to get it into neutral! Hopefully my clutch basket isn't bad and I can just replace the offending parts. I think it's good..I haven't been riding the bike since this problem occurred. In any event...I think I know where the problem lies..and I can tear it apart and do what I need to do. Again...thanks for the info!
#7
That SUCKS!!
Mine just got very loose, never fell apart.
The Barnett part DS223739 repalced the spring plate with another steel plate. It looks like it is now obsolete. . . . Nope found it
Sportster (91 & later) and Buell (91-02)
307-30-10011(K)
307-30-20011(CF)
Kevlar or Carbon Fiber Extra-Plate Clutch Kit
Consists of nine friction plates and eight steel drive plates. Adds 12% more surface area to clutch pack. (Note: Double steel drive plate not used with this kit.)
http://www.barnettclutches.com/produ...02)&clutch_cc=
ps. Due to the lack ofspring plate compressing the extra plate kit is a real pain to get the spring plate back on.
Mine just got very loose, never fell apart.
The Barnett part DS223739 repalced the spring plate with another steel plate. It looks like it is now obsolete. . . . Nope found it
Sportster (91 & later) and Buell (91-02)
307-30-10011(K)
307-30-20011(CF)
Kevlar or Carbon Fiber Extra-Plate Clutch Kit
Consists of nine friction plates and eight steel drive plates. Adds 12% more surface area to clutch pack. (Note: Double steel drive plate not used with this kit.)
http://www.barnettclutches.com/produ...02)&clutch_cc=
ps. Due to the lack ofspring plate compressing the extra plate kit is a real pain to get the spring plate back on.
Last edited by Stefan; 04-24-2010 at 10:44 PM.
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#8
I think my clutch has been slipping a bit recently, not bad though (barely noticable). I am going to replace it soon before it becomes a problem. I just wanted to confirm that if I got an extra plate kit (like the Barnnet Kit above)this would eliminate the riveted plate setup that appears to be the problem in the OP? Thanks
#9
had the same thing happen with my stock clutch at about 25-30 thousand miles. i was pissed, the dealer told me the same thing...told me they used to have the same setup in the BT's but changed them over and for some reason the factory never did with the sportys. Barnett is another aftermarket clutch option that is a great clutch...i plan on goin that route after this clutch goes (of course i did all my research after i had another stock clutch put in...dumb!)
#10
Well I just had to have my clutch replaced a few weeks ago for this issue-the spring plate rivits breaking, but it did not hurt the basket. Mine did not slip, it would always stay engaged even with the clutch lever pulled all the way in and adjustments would not help. My bike is an 07 with 14.4 on the clock. I had the SE clutch installed and it does not have that junk spring plate design. The part # is 38002-04 Fits 91 and later XL and XR's and 94-97 Evo 1340's $199.99.
Some say the SE clutch is hard to pull, but I don't think is much harder then stock, but it does slip less when you let it out due to 9 friction plates vs 8 on the stock set up.
I love my sporty, but by 14K I have had to replace the rocker box gaskets and the clutch WTF? and my bike is serviced up to par. I did get the bike with 9600 miles on it, but it was well taken care of or so it seamed.
Some say the SE clutch is hard to pull, but I don't think is much harder then stock, but it does slip less when you let it out due to 9 friction plates vs 8 on the stock set up.
I love my sporty, but by 14K I have had to replace the rocker box gaskets and the clutch WTF? and my bike is serviced up to par. I did get the bike with 9600 miles on it, but it was well taken care of or so it seamed.