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Old 09-08-2016, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bwoltz
I think the AFR mods you did are the right direction.. As far as timing goes, Closed throttle timing on this map is pretty good IMO.. What you can do is start to slide the timing down slope to the right in the regions you run.. Hope your ears are good and keep an I on the plugs..






I'm not sure how much more you can pick up tho.. 32 to 33 is all that bad for the extra stuff you have to spin..




My hearing is terrible. Thanks for the suggestion. Just getting over 2 days of rain here and will be doing runs tomorrow with your changes. I will post a pic of current pugs.
By regions I run that would be 3 timing pages: 2560rpm thru 3072rpm, correct?
One other thing I was going to try was change the injector timing fron 392 to 380 but can wait on that.
 
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Current plugs gaped @ 35. I think they are reading a little dark because this was after a "sidestand" monitor log for ThunderHeart 2 days ago and haven't ridden since because of rain.
 
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Originally Posted by icebite1
My hearing is terrible. Thanks for the suggestion. Just getting over 2 days of rain here and will be doing runs tomorrow with your changes. I will post a pic of current pugs.
By regions I run that would be 3 timing pages: 2560rpm thru 3072rpm, correct?
One other thing I was going to try was change the injector timing fron 392 to 380 but can wait on that.
I would also add the tables above and below those.. Injector timing is a good idea also..

The plugs look a little rich but if that was from a sidestand run, I wouldn't worry.. Main thing I look for is small brown, gray or silvery *****..
 
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Originally Posted by bwoltz
I think the AFR mods you did are the right direction.. As far as timing goes, Closed throttle timing on this map is pretty good IMO.. What you can do is start to slide the timing down slope to the right in the regions you run.. Hope your ears are good and keep an I on the plugs..






I'm not sure how much more you can pick up tho.. 32 to 33 is all that bad for the extra stuff you have to spin..


Question: I copied this to 2560rpm But what about the other tables. ? I cant cut and paste this to them. Better question would be how do you determine how much to move on each page?
 

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Originally Posted by icebite1
Question: I copied this to 2560rpm But what about 2816 and 3072?
Do the same kind of thing.. Ever use the "L" command?

Move the cursor to one point, press L, move to another and press L again.. Line between the 2 points..













Move each dropping line say 4 to 5 dots to the right.. By doing that you are increasing partial throttle timing a few degrees for everything on the down slope.
 
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One thing to note.. Every bike will be a little different.. Move the line a little bit see if it helps.. A 2 degree change is good number to shoot for..
 
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Great, I use several of the shortcut keys.
Another Question: Do the number of dot movements top and bottom line need to be the same? in other words 4 over top line and 4 over bottom line then link them (L L)? Your two pages are different there. Just trying to understand this more as we go along.
 

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Great, I use several of the shortcut keys.
Another Question: Do the number of dot movements top and bottom line need to be the same? in other words 4 over top line and 4 over bottom line then link them? Your two pages are different there.
Here's the deal,, I'm simply giving you ideas on which way to go.. IMO even the maps Thunderheart or Zippers has produced are best guess tuning for the bikes they tuned on a dyno.. My bet is that a degree of timing here or there may help or it may not.. What you are doing here is trying to make a map developed for a specific bike work for your bike. The stuff I've shown you is the direction to work.. No more.. If you hear ping, best to note throttle position and RPM and either pull timing or add fuel (if in the lean part of the AFR). You should find some gains.. If most of what you are doing is cruising steady state logging data and using Mega Log Viewer can help some.. Gen II (Tmax) systems are a bit of a PITA to collect data compared to Gen III systems..
 
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OK, got it. Thanks. I will post progress tomorrow.
 
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here a link to an earlier post where we were talking about the timing slope ...see if any of this makes sense !!!

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/the-d...l#post15185716

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/the-d...l#post15186938
 

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