Me too now a days. But, for those programs I use that still insist on being microsoft only, I use VMWare Fusion to run windows programs on my Mac.

Fusion is about $80 plus the cost of a Microsoft license. Parallels is another option about the same price. Or if you only want to simply run a windows program and are not too fussy about battery life or performance then Virtual Box is free, apart from the cost of the windows license.

If you think you can do proper tuning with a wee "App", best of luck

 

This is by far and again the biggest misconception of dyno tuning...all it's used for is to squeeeeeezze the last hp/tq from the motor.
Quite to the contrary...since there are over 300 tune points for fueling and timing, most all tuning effort and time is spent in the 0-80% T/P, which is where riders spend 95+% of their time riding.
"Squeezing" the last hp/tq is the last, and frankly, the easiest to get right...it's everywhere else that, when tuned, provides a much smoother and responsive motor with good mileage as well
Most all the time tuning is spent with rideability, cold start, hot start, knock corrections, acceleration enrichment and enleanment, decel backfiring, along with a plethora of other tuning tables to help the experienced tuner maximize performance, which covers all aspects of running.
Hope this clears up this misconception,
Bob
PS - Always best to ask someone who has had their bike tuned for opinions concerning the experiences and benefits riding a well-tuned bike.

 

User's have to choose what is best for them. There is no doubt the competitors device is a powerful device with many features that FP3 does not (currently) have. Many users just want a simple to use graphical user interface. What better than the device we all have in our pocket? Also, dealers/dyno tuners have easier integration with their dynos and equipment with the competitors
device (currently). This will be changed with a new device coming out this year.

I hear of all the requests on this site as well as many other forums. I also use feedback from users at events and dealers across the world. It DOES NOT fall on deaf ears. We are working diligently on new features and programs to make the FP3 more powerful and easier to use. Not just for end users, but dealers and professional tuners.

 

You could manually change these values, however, there is a limit to how long you can take within each table, it can time out depending on device, OS, etc.

This is why we will be doing offline map editing soon (as with MANY other new features). We have an online Customer Support system that runs through a browser that allows interactions with our server such as you had. However it's still easier to make changes through the application. What other tuning device sends a map directly to your phone, any time, anywhere? All you had to do was click one button. I do map alterations for customers across the globe (in many other languages too).

Perhaps the PC was best for you. However, we can see where the future of device support and software are going. We don't see Uber drivers logging into a PC before they start a route... lol

 

Let me be very clear. Cheyne and the team at V&H were as helpful as any great customer service team from any top rated retailer. However, Cheyne made 2 attempts to tune my stage 2 with 57H cams. After much frustration, Mac from the forum was nice enough to chime in and send me a tune he thought would be good for my setup. Hence the tries at manually changing tables. (the timeout makes sense). Had I known that I would have saved myself many hours of frustration. Anyway, ended up sending the tables from Mac to Cheyne, who populated the tables with Mac's values and uploaded the tune to your server for me. Mac's tune was far and above superior to the 2 that Cheyne tried. That's not to say Cheyne didn't try, and was genuinely as helpful as he could be when it came to my tune. The e-mail replies were prompt.
If you guys can get the PC table functionality right, I won't hesitate to go back to the FP3.....but alas, in the interim I was forced to buy a PV and a license. So now I have 2 tuners when 1 should have been sufficient.
Not throwing V&H under the bus, just sharing the facts as they played out....

 

Hi Chris,
many thanks for the input here, that is greatly appreciated. We all know how much effort it takes chatting in a forum trying to keep us happy

First of all I will not support anyone suggesting your customer support is anything other than great. You did indeed try very hard to look after me and my questions and absolutely no way can, or would I fault you on such a sterling service. Keep it up.

Unfortunately, kind of the same as PeteJoe above, the product wasn't quite where I probably wanted it to be at the time I started, was why I tried a different one.

The state of the Harley tuning situation is not solely your (V&H) problem. There is a LOT of smoke and mirrors, and politics, and protection of knowledge going on in all of this ...in my opinion. And, in the space of a vacuum of actual, accurate knowledge and guidance, the Internet hero's tend to make up or repeat utter rubbish or conflicting information that really does not help get the job done at all.

These little boxes (and definitely not just yours) are a bit of a con in my book. They purport to tune your bike, but we all know damned fine that is simply and honestly NOT the case.

There is much more to tuning than auto mapping VE tables and sorting your WOT and getting a dyno sheet. I ride my bike in the real world and if it can't tootle across town without revving the hell out of it and waking the whole city so that I avoid the Harley so called "lugging" then the bike is no use to me at all. Like the good tuners keep telling us in here, it has to be rideable.

That takes more than mapping VE's, especially if you go past a new filter and pipes.

At this point in time, I really wish I'd bought a TTS because they have the most AI built into their tuning process ...THAT is what will make these things work. If that is going to put people out of business (which I very much doubt anyway) then they should only be sold to the trade who can use them properly.

I don't actually like the beast I have just now ...I do not think it is as shining bright as they make out either. I see too much in the logs that make me thing wtf! But, at least I have the logs, as accurate as they may or may not be, to allow me to read between the lines.

I still really like the FP3 and in case you hadn't noticed I do chuck a few pointers as well as getting on at you for not developing it further If you can get some good AI into the tuning process and deliver on those updates, I think you are more than capable of surpassing some of the other players.



Don't get me started on device support and software ...or you'll never shut me up. We do realise that Apps are dying don't we? they are being replaced by "super Apps" or essentially AI interfaces that go off to wherever (cough, the Internet) to get the answers for you.

I'm not really convinced, personally, that is the way to do engine tuning ...we're not talking about a bunch of face tweeting likey sharing don't care about my personal data kids, are we I'm a great believer in the old saying ...if all you need is a bit of paper...

 

...and if anyone is listening ...we still need an FP3 sticky Maybe you could start that off Chris with a link to your new guide when it comes out

 

Good stuff, love knowing that a product is still in process of being developed and enhanced even tho it met my basic requirements at the time of purchase. I look forward to seeing what more you do with a device that is unique in its approach compared to other products.

 

I'm here almost every day Gordon

You guys get a plan together and start it. Give me links to FP3 posts and I'll move them to the sticky area.


-Wiz



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Stupid thing of me to say, I know you are always watching