HARLEY: Screaming Eagle Street Tuner - How to obtain stock 103 map?
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Screaming Eagle Street Tuner - How to obtain stock 103 map?
My dealer installed Rinehart Slimline duals, full exhaust and Roland Sands air filter.
The dealer dyno'd the bike and it runs absolutely terrible mostly at lower RPM ranges and from a stop, above 3000 RPM it runs fine. I installed the tuning software and poked around and loaded the Stage 1 103 mapping but this assumes I have a Big Bore kit which I don't, I have a 2016 Road King, stock 103 engine. I loaded the mapping and it runs terrible as well.
I saved the dealer tune which seems to be built off the same tune I just mentioned which is: C41000210C
How do I get the stock 103 tune? If it's not possible in the software, does someone have their stock on saved?
I'm attaching a picture of the tune that is available that I loaded in the tuner.
The dealer dyno'd the bike and it runs absolutely terrible mostly at lower RPM ranges and from a stop, above 3000 RPM it runs fine. I installed the tuning software and poked around and loaded the Stage 1 103 mapping but this assumes I have a Big Bore kit which I don't, I have a 2016 Road King, stock 103 engine. I loaded the mapping and it runs terrible as well.
I saved the dealer tune which seems to be built off the same tune I just mentioned which is: C41000210C
How do I get the stock 103 tune? If it's not possible in the software, does someone have their stock on saved?
I'm attaching a picture of the tune that is available that I loaded in the tuner.
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I tried this and unfortunately, none of the options fit. In the top left I choose 2016 TOURING FLHR
Here are my options:
C41000210C: 103 Big Bore Stage 1 Kit PN: 27539-08
(My bike is currently tuned from the dealer a modified version of this, runs terribly)
C41000213C - 110 Stage 1 Kit - Doesn't apply
C41000357 - Stage 1 w/58mm Throttle Body, SE High Flow, Heavy Breather, or Ventilator Air Cleaner, 58mm Throttle Body - Doesn't apply
C41000441 - Stage 1 w/Hi-Flow Exhaust System - I loaded this one and it was REALLY bad so I can't use this as a base
Here are my options:
C41000210C: 103 Big Bore Stage 1 Kit PN: 27539-08
(My bike is currently tuned from the dealer a modified version of this, runs terribly)
C41000213C - 110 Stage 1 Kit - Doesn't apply
C41000357 - Stage 1 w/58mm Throttle Body, SE High Flow, Heavy Breather, or Ventilator Air Cleaner, 58mm Throttle Body - Doesn't apply
C41000441 - Stage 1 w/Hi-Flow Exhaust System - I loaded this one and it was REALLY bad so I can't use this as a base
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You're going to need to be more specific than "runs terrible."
I would take Max's advice and try running a smart tune session and see what info you get from the data log. Also, you can go into the "toolbox" section of the software and VCI data record and log some data not using smart tune. As noted previously, the lower load area under 3000rpm is likely running in closed loop anyhow, so you'll probably catch some VE data doing that as well, plus you'll be able to check your knock retard data to see if the bike is pulling timing. That could make the bike run a little rough.
I would take Max's advice and try running a smart tune session and see what info you get from the data log. Also, you can go into the "toolbox" section of the software and VCI data record and log some data not using smart tune. As noted previously, the lower load area under 3000rpm is likely running in closed loop anyhow, so you'll probably catch some VE data doing that as well, plus you'll be able to check your knock retard data to see if the bike is pulling timing. That could make the bike run a little rough.
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You're going to need to be more specific than "runs terrible."
I would take Max's advice and try running a smart tune session and see what info you get from the data log. Also, you can go into the "toolbox" section of the software and VCI data record and log some data not using smart tune. As noted previously, the lower load area under 3000rpm is likely running in closed loop anyhow, so you'll probably catch some VE data doing that as well, plus you'll be able to check your knock retard data to see if the bike is pulling timing. That could make the bike run a little rough.
I would take Max's advice and try running a smart tune session and see what info you get from the data log. Also, you can go into the "toolbox" section of the software and VCI data record and log some data not using smart tune. As noted previously, the lower load area under 3000rpm is likely running in closed loop anyhow, so you'll probably catch some VE data doing that as well, plus you'll be able to check your knock retard data to see if the bike is pulling timing. That could make the bike run a little rough.
I didn't want to make this thread about my problem but more of how to obtain a stock mapping that I can begin the tune with because the ones inside the tuner don't seem to apply.
From what you are saying if under 3K RPM is "closed loop" I assume that cannot be changed and I'm stuck with the way it performs unless I get a different tuner?
I have an appointment at my dealer who did the Dyno originally (Yes I paid for a dyno already!) for Monday where they will bring me into the Dyno room to try to rectify the problem. The current state of the bike makes it unrideable, more details are in my other thread.
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More specific is in my other thread: https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...ed-advice.html
I didn't want to make this thread about my problem but more of how to obtain a stock mapping that I can begin the tune with because the ones inside the tuner don't seem to apply.
From what you are saying if under 3K RPM is "closed loop" I assume that cannot be changed and I'm stuck with the way it performs unless I get a different tuner?
I have an appointment at my dealer who did the Dyno originally (Yes I paid for a dyno already!) for Monday where they will bring me into the Dyno room to try to rectify the problem. The current state of the bike makes it unrideable, more details are in my other thread.
I didn't want to make this thread about my problem but more of how to obtain a stock mapping that I can begin the tune with because the ones inside the tuner don't seem to apply.
From what you are saying if under 3K RPM is "closed loop" I assume that cannot be changed and I'm stuck with the way it performs unless I get a different tuner?
I have an appointment at my dealer who did the Dyno originally (Yes I paid for a dyno already!) for Monday where they will bring me into the Dyno room to try to rectify the problem. The current state of the bike makes it unrideable, more details are in my other thread.
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More specific is in my other thread: https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...ed-advice.html
I didn't want to make this thread about my problem but more of how to obtain a stock mapping that I can begin the tune with because the ones inside the tuner don't seem to apply.
From what you are saying if under 3K RPM is "closed loop" I assume that cannot be changed and I'm stuck with the way it performs unless I get a different tuner?
I have an appointment at my dealer who did the Dyno originally (Yes I paid for a dyno already!) for Monday where they will bring me into the Dyno room to try to rectify the problem. The current state of the bike makes it unrideable, more details are in my other thread.
I didn't want to make this thread about my problem but more of how to obtain a stock mapping that I can begin the tune with because the ones inside the tuner don't seem to apply.
From what you are saying if under 3K RPM is "closed loop" I assume that cannot be changed and I'm stuck with the way it performs unless I get a different tuner?
I have an appointment at my dealer who did the Dyno originally (Yes I paid for a dyno already!) for Monday where they will bring me into the Dyno room to try to rectify the problem. The current state of the bike makes it unrideable, more details are in my other thread.
Plus simply looking at VEs you can get ideas as to how close the tune is..
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IMO the only way to go about this is to learn the software enough to do a couple Smartunes.
That will correct where the the issue is/are.
IME it's possible to do an adequate job of getting 80-90% of the area where you normally ride from learning and using riding techniques to get to all the cells long enough for the system to learn.
Bob
That will correct where the the issue is/are.
IME it's possible to do an adequate job of getting 80-90% of the area where you normally ride from learning and using riding techniques to get to all the cells long enough for the system to learn.
Bob
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