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kylebru1 05-21-2015 11:13 AM

Getting ready to put a stage 1 kit on
 
I'm wondering what I should expect as far as a power increase/mpg increase or decrease/anything like that.

I'm adding Rinehart slimline heads, Rinehart 4" slip ons, Fuel Moto Pro Billet air cleaner, and a Fuel Moto Micro Tuner.

mkguitar 05-21-2015 11:39 AM

results will vary...

in general a 'stage 1' will increase power from 7 to 10 horsepower.

this is done by simply removing the muffling in the intake and exhaust for noise emissions.

we have been doing the same thing for over 30 years- hi flow intake, hi flow exhaust ( which does not have to be louder- but usually is. Supertrapp is a notable exception)


we used to just retune the carb and maybe swap in a police or sportster ignition module- or a crane or dyna ignition once they became available.

2010+ bikes have a catalytic convertor in the header, which you are replacing- that will help with flow...it will also be louder just from that change.

you are using the micro tuner- the settings on that will determine the difference between the typical 7/10 and the mpg.

A big loss of mpg will signal that settings may not be correct in all areas.


My stage 1 2009 96" FLHTC got 44 mpg when stock, 43 MPG now. I use different stuff than you so no apples to apples.
those numbers are typical cruising at part throttle, 70 ish MPH in 6th

Mike

kylebru1 05-21-2015 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by mkguitar (Post 14039555)
results will vary...

in general a 'stage 1' will increase power from 7 to 10 horsepower.

this is done by simply removing the muffling in the intake and exhaust for noise emissions.

we have been doing the same thing for over 30 years- hi flow intake, hi flow exhaust ( which does not have to be louder- but usually is. Supertrapp is a notable exception)


we used to just retune the carb and maybe swap in a police or sportster ignition module- or a crane or dyna ignition once they became available.

2010+ bikes have a catalytic convertor in the header, which you are replacing- that will help with flow...it will also be louder just from that change.

you are using the micro tuner- the settings on that will determine the difference between the typical 7/10 and the mpg.

A big loss of mpg will signal that settings may not be correct in all areas.


My stage 1 2009 96" FLHTC got 44 mpg when stock, 43 MPG now. I use different stuff than you so no apples to apples.
those numbers are typical cruising at part throttle, 70 ish MPH in 6th

Mike

Yea I figured it varies a little from set up to set up, thanks for the numbers though!

2013_FLHTK 05-21-2015 02:31 PM

Bottom line is a good tune with provide you with a much better running engine. My 13 may not be much faster but than stock but it now runs great and averages 42 MPG. I still want more power... cams and possibly flat top pistons along with Khromewerks Touring mufflers.

kylebru1 05-21-2015 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by 2013_FLHTK (Post 14040080)
Bottom line is a good tune with provide you with a much better running engine. My 13 may not be much faster but than stock but it now runs great and averages 42 MPG. I still want more power... cams and possibly flat top pistons along with Khromewerks Touring mufflers.

Yea I don't need a ton of power, I'm perfectly fine with the power now. I was just curious to be honest. I do like that the bike will sound better (to me) and run much better.

Betteroff 05-21-2015 04:26 PM

I've done stage 1. At first I thought my mpg went way down. Then when I did a large group ride doing the speed limit on the back roads, my mpg went back where it was when stock. So "I" am the reason my mpg went down after completing the stage !! Vroom Vroom

0ldhippie 05-21-2015 04:49 PM

It is all about the tune...

King-a-ling 05-21-2015 04:53 PM

I just installed fuel moto's micro tuner on mine (08 RK). They gave me two tunes, one for a k&n filter and eom exhaust and one for the k&n with aftermarket slip ons. Mine runs better and pulls better with the first tune (k&n filter only). It doesn't feel any faster. The big difference I can tell is at cruising speed 60-75 mph. I can shift into 6th at 60 mph where as before it didn't like 6th till about 70 mph. It pulls better and just runs silky smooth at those speeds. To early to tell on fuel mileage, but after the 1st tank it went down around 2 mpg. And that may be due to me shifting into 6th earlier. But, during the time, I tried both tunes. I haven't tried manually adjusting the fuel % and seeing how it does. Also to early to tell on heat, I'll know when it gets up in the 90's, but so far it does feel cooler even when idling in 80+ degrees.

I will say, I've always been skeptical of a tuner. Is it really needed or just some marketing gemmick to get your money? Coming from metrics, to me none of mine never needed it. They all ran great, etc. After installing the FM's micro tuner, I can say it does run better and makes a noticeable difference on my 08.

tmultra 05-21-2015 06:50 PM

On my 2013 after stage one my HP is 80 and torque is 99. I don't remember what they said the factory numbers were but I remember HP only went up slightly. Gained more in torque. I didn't have it long enough before doing stage one to check MPG. I'm averageing about 42MPG right now though

digger58 05-21-2015 10:34 PM

Some say there is no difference , some claim huge gains.
I know for a fact mine runs cooler, sounds better and to me, worth the time and effort

kylebru1 05-22-2015 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by digger58 (Post 14041529)
Some say there is no difference , some claim huge gains.
I know for a fact mine runs cooler, sounds better and to me, worth the time and effort

That's the same with me, as long as the bike runs better, cooler, and sounds better...then I'm cool with that.

goodbirds 05-22-2015 11:31 AM

Still riding it like it came, stock. I've got 85,000 on it now, and just the other day I rode with a couple of 1800 GW. I had enough power to stay with them accelerating up an uphill on ramp just by winding the rpm up to 4,000 before shifting.

Of course, I'm way past performance meaning beating out everyone else (now 73 y/o), but my Ultra gets 41-42 on the highway at 70 mph, has a pleasing exhaust hum, and runs pretty cool as long as it is kept moving along a bit. I don't see any good reason to spend a lot of money for maybe a 10% increase in power.

Back in the day, like before 1979, Harley's were woefully short on power and performance from the factory, but I think they've done a good job finding the balance between performance and longevity while still meeting the external regulations they have to obey. JMHO, of course.

kylebru1 05-22-2015 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by goodbirds (Post 14042769)
Still riding it like it came, stock. I've got 85,000 on it now, and just the other day I rode with a couple of 1800 GW. I had enough power to stay with them accelerating up an uphill on ramp just by winding the rpm up to 4,000 before shifting.

Of course, I'm way past performance meaning beating out everyone else (now 73 y/o), but my Ultra gets 41-42 on the highway at 70 mph, has a pleasing exhaust hum, and runs pretty cool as long as it is kept moving along a bit. I don't see any good reason to spend a lot of money for maybe a 10% increase in power.

Back in the day, like before 1979, Harley's were woefully short on power and performance from the factory, but I think they've done a good job finding the balance between performance and longevity while still meeting the external regulations they have to obey. JMHO, of course.

I can appreciate that, but for me its about more than just the 10% increase. I like the sound, the looks, the performance.

WG2011 05-22-2015 12:04 PM

Anyone who says a stage one did nothing for them has a bad tune or a horrible butt dyno. You should feel an increase as said above its not like adding a super charger to a car but it will feel a little more responsive would be my best way to describe it. The bike will run cooler, smoother and sound much better. But no doubt you should feel a little boost with a stage one.

2013_FLHTK 05-25-2015 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by WG2011 (Post 14042911)
Anyone who says a stage one did nothing for them has a bad tune or a horrible butt dyno. You should feel an increase as said above its not like adding a super charger to a car but it will feel a little more responsive would be my best way to describe it. The bike will run cooler, smoother and sound much better. But no doubt you should feel a little boost with a stage one.

My bike pinged stock and it drove me nuts. These engines are noisy enough without the ball bearing in a coffee can sound. From roughly 2300 to 2700 RPM the engine would ping while maintaining speed. Even my wife asked numerous times "What's that sound?" That alone should tell most of you how bad it was. Losing the heat from the CAT, getting through the gears a little quicker with a slightly better note from the stock mufflers helped justify the cost.

kylebru1 05-26-2015 04:22 PM

Just found out the Slimlines I ordered from Fuel Moto were back ordered, so I have to wait another week as they aren't shipping until Friday now. This is the third different date I've been told.

ferrisswheel 05-26-2015 05:00 PM

Reinhart slimline
 

Originally Posted by kylebru1 (Post 14039468)
I'm wondering what I should expect as far as a power increase/mpg increase or decrease/anything like that.

I'm adding Rinehart slimline heads, Rinehart 4" slip ons, Fuel Moto Pro Billet air cleaner, and a Fuel Moto Micro Tuner.

I have a '14 Street Glide Special and I added the slimline duals with 4" slip ons, Screaming Eagle stage 1 breather and a Cobra Fi2000 Power Pro auto tuner. I had these put on at the dealer before I took position of the bike so I don't know about gains. It does sound awesome compared to a stock bike. It pulls very good until I let off. (I haven't taken it over 100mph but she gets there quick) I did the math and I am averaging 43.7mpg. That includes city and hwy.


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