Brake Fluid Recall
#21
Originally Posted by F150HD
Thanks, I'll do the double bleed procedure Dawg discussed.
Looked at both my 08 and 12 manuals.....
=> 08 lists one ABS/HCU unit which I believe is no longer made?
40688-08 KIT, ABS UNIT
=> 09-13 lists two parts which correlates w/ your pic above. I assume you can still buy these new?
48343-09 MODULATOR ASSEMBLY HYDRAULIC, ABS UNIT
40649-08 CONTROLLER ELECTRONIC, ABS UNIT
So are the 2009-13 parts compatible w/ the 2008 models?
if not, what happens if an 08 unit fails? outside of finding a used part how would one replace it if it failed?
Looked at both my 08 and 12 manuals.....
=> 08 lists one ABS/HCU unit which I believe is no longer made?
40688-08 KIT, ABS UNIT
=> 09-13 lists two parts which correlates w/ your pic above. I assume you can still buy these new?
48343-09 MODULATOR ASSEMBLY HYDRAULIC, ABS UNIT
40649-08 CONTROLLER ELECTRONIC, ABS UNIT
So are the 2009-13 parts compatible w/ the 2008 models?
if not, what happens if an 08 unit fails? outside of finding a used part how would one replace it if it failed?
Last edited by GalvTexGuy; 09-03-2018 at 10:44 AM.
#22
Worst case, Could one just disable the ABS completely and....?
there has to be someone who has done that. I haven't read up on it (yet)
#23
Thanks, that's kinda what I was getting the gist of when reading. Christ...mine isn't failed, but if someones fails, what the heck are they supposed to do?
Worst case, Could one just disable the ABS completely and....?
there has to be someone who has done that. I haven't read up on it (yet)
Worst case, Could one just disable the ABS completely and....?
there has to be someone who has done that. I haven't read up on it (yet)
The following users liked this post:
F150HD (09-03-2018)
#24
Thanks, that's kinda what I was getting the gist of when reading. Christ...mine isn't failed, but if someones fails, what the heck are they supposed to do?
Worst case, Could one just disable the ABS completely and....?
there has to be someone who has done that. I haven't read up on it (yet)
Worst case, Could one just disable the ABS completely and....?
there has to be someone who has done that. I haven't read up on it (yet)
#25
Just thinking out loud. The scan tool essentially simulates (?) an ABS event on the lift to flush the old fluid out of the HCU, as a normal flush doesn't remove the fluid from that 'unit'. This is my takeaway at least in an attempt to understand the system.
Ran across this...summarizes it more eloquently. Unclear why I cannot post a direct link to the VTwin forum? It keeps replacing the URL with ************** no matter what I do. Copy and remove spaces, was only way I could post the link. wtf
-
https ://www.v-twinforum .com/forums/harley-davidson-touring/527746-harley-recall-3.html#post5711146
-
Ran across this...summarizes it more eloquently. Unclear why I cannot post a direct link to the VTwin forum? It keeps replacing the URL with ************** no matter what I do. Copy and remove spaces, was only way I could post the link. wtf
-
https ://www.v-twinforum .com/forums/harley-davidson-touring/527746-harley-recall-3.html#post5711146
-
Last edited by F150HD; 09-03-2018 at 11:18 AM. Reason: Odd- I cannot link to the VTwin forum? It keeps putting ********** into the URL
#26
I still find it hard to believe this problem affects only 2008 - 2011 models "Because so and so did not flush their brake fluid every 2 years" and that the MoCo is NOT at fault.
And before someone starts it, brake fluid was attracting moisture before 2008 and didn't stop attracting moisture after 2011.
Nah, and I don't want to hear about the new type brake fluid either.
Why not the 2012 models too?
The MoCo is playing CYA.
I smell BS.
And before someone starts it, brake fluid was attracting moisture before 2008 and didn't stop attracting moisture after 2011.
Nah, and I don't want to hear about the new type brake fluid either.
Why not the 2012 models too?
The MoCo is playing CYA.
I smell BS.
Answers your question? (it won't let me post the URL, keeps putting ********** into it for some reason so one needs to copy the text and remove the spaces. wtf)
-
https ://www.v-twinforum .com/forums/harley-davidson-touring/527746-harley-recall-3.html#post5711154
-
The following users liked this post:
seniorsuperglideE8 (09-03-2018)
#27
I carry a couple double long banjo bolts and plenty of crush washers in the tool bag in case the ABS fails while we're out on a trip. Plan on just removing the banjos from the HCU and joining the front or rear (which ever fails) lines together, purge the lines with fresh fluid then heading on our way. I did tack weld the end on the banjo bolts in case the valve decides to return to it's intended position while my temp fix is in place. I believe the thread is 10x1mm on the banjos.
Thanks again.
#28
Originally Posted by F150HD
Just thinking out loud. The scan tool essentially simulates (?) an ABS event on the lift to flush the old fluid out of the HCU, as a normal flush doesn't remove the fluid from that 'unit'. This is my takeaway at least in an attempt to understand the system.
Ran across this...summarizes it more eloquently. Unclear why I cannot post a direct link to the VTwin forum? It keeps replacing the URL with ************** no matter what I do. Copy and remove spaces, was only way I could post the link. wtf
-
https ://www.v-twinforum .com/forums/harley-davidson-touring/527746-harley-recall-3.html#post5711146
-
Ran across this...summarizes it more eloquently. Unclear why I cannot post a direct link to the VTwin forum? It keeps replacing the URL with ************** no matter what I do. Copy and remove spaces, was only way I could post the link. wtf
-
https ://www.v-twinforum .com/forums/harley-davidson-touring/527746-harley-recall-3.html#post5711146
-
The touring service manual only specifically talks about "bleeding" brakes as opposed to "flushing" brakes and only mentions the DT II is required when air has been introduced into the system. Flushing is only mentioned in the notes section of the maintenance schedule, but there is no service procedure that I could find anywhere else in the manual, which has me wondering why that is since flushing and bleeding are not the exact same procedure.
#29
Originally Posted by F150HD
-
Answers your question? (it won't let me post the URL, keeps putting ********** into it for some reason so one needs to copy the text and remove the spaces. wtf)
-
https ://www.v-twinforum .com/forums/harley-davidson-touring/527746-harley-recall-3.html#post5711154
-
Answers your question? (it won't let me post the URL, keeps putting ********** into it for some reason so one needs to copy the text and remove the spaces. wtf)
-
https ://www.v-twinforum .com/forums/harley-davidson-touring/527746-harley-recall-3.html#post5711154
-
Last edited by GalvTexGuy; 09-03-2018 at 01:29 PM.
#30
That, too, has been brought up in this forum and I'm convinced H-D did exactly that to try and hide that there were problems with the 2008-2013 bikes with ABS. Unfortunately for them, owners were reporting problems to the NHTSA, which eventually led to the recall. I wrote an email to NHTSA asking why the '12 and '13 models were omitted from the recall since the part numbers were exactly the same, but not surprisingly, they never responded. Also, I'm convinced that H-D and NHTSA are in bed together because H-D somehow convinced the NHTSA to keep this information about the part change from the public eye.
I will call my local dealer and ask about the brake flush recall for my 08...and plan to also ask about what happens if the ABS unit fails, what specific part replaces it etc. Wondering what I will hear back.
I will also plan to do the double flush on my own in the garage. Will ride the bike and cycle the ABS between flushes etc.