You think harley dealers are off the hook for regular service prices wait till you try getting **** done to a BMW. Great bikes but they have their share of issues also, hit up a beemer forum sometime.

 

Gunny,I know the addiction I have a commitment issue with bikes. It's ok just get a dealer tag and tell everyone it's a loaner .That's much easier to fall back on.lol

 

As for service cost, the first service on the BMW is $270. The first on my Harley was $310. I"ve had 5 BMW bikes and never had an issue with any of them. This bike is nothing flat of amazing on the highway for ride quality, handling, and power. 160 hp and 130 ft lbs of torque. It has every feature my 2018 CVO Limited has for darn near half the price. My CVO was $46 out the door. I got this bike for $23.8K, less than a street glide and it would run rings around my CVO. Love American made but Harley really needs to step up to the plate for the newer generations to commit. Oh and it has a center stand, electric adjustable windshield, Sirius XM Navigation, plus I can change the suspension on the fly with a button. Did I mention amazing power and I don't have to dump $2000 more on pipes, a tuner, a download etc etc.

 

But can it hover?

 

It's a nice ride. One of my riding buddies recently sold his Ultra and now rides a Yamaha FJR1300ES. As I like to say, it's all about choices and everyone should find what works for them.
I'm not understanding how the sumping issue is fixed. If every time I came across a problem or issue and just tabled/postponed/delayed/sidelined it, I sure wouldn't consider the problem solved.

 

Perhaps a real fix is more expensive than the relatively few warranty repairs or even engine replacements that need to be done. As was explained in a different thread, the oil pump does two jobs, obviously pumps oil where it is needed but also scavenges oil from the crank case and there are several reasons that sometimes fails. Seems to me that with any counter balanced engine, a separate scavenge pump could be driven by the balance shaft drive, then a single pump doesn't need to do double duty, but I'm not an engineer.

 

In addition to that issue I just read they are recalling thousands of new touring bikes for the evil clutch issues again. When does it stop? It's been several years and the hydraulic clutch continues to have problems. Frankly I was quite happy with the cable clutch.

 

I agree. Keep it simple. I'm guessing they are going with the hydraulic clutch for the reduced effort needed to pull the clutch lever. Need to appeal to the new snowflake demographics.

 

There is no "free ride". IF the ratio of lever movement to pressure plate movement is the same for both cable and hydraulic systems, the effort will be about the same, perhaps slightly more with the cable due to cable friction, but moving the hydraulic pieces involves friction also. My pet peeve is CANBUS. Why replace simple, inexpensive cables with hundreds of dollars worth of electronic sensors and actuators? It is a MOTORCYCLE, not a super sonic transport.

 

My big issue with BMW motorcycles is the rider position and the high-up ride that makes it very difficult to flat foot them unless you are well over 6 feet tall. Honestly, I'm not sure how many of the BMW riders that I see can manage the bike for that reason. I see a lot of BMW riders who (like me) cannot flat foot that bike.