Read this if you're thinking about LED's or have questions about Load Equalizers
#11
01-22-2009, 02:35 AM
Danged it!...she totally ignored my flirt.....It happens every time I mention/ask if they cook.
I swear there ain't no more perfect women out there any longer...you simply can't find one with the right tatts and a hog of her own who is also slinder, obedient, forgiving and supportive....Hell, good luck find one who ain't into monthly botox and tossing Viagra at you every night after you take her out to dinner.
Sigh............
Ok, ok.....I need to fix my taillights and stop flirting..........This chic knows all about LE's and LEDs but she ain't givin it up....I'll lurk here and see if another can get her to answer.
I swear there ain't no more perfect women out there any longer...you simply can't find one with the right tatts and a hog of her own who is also slinder, obedient, forgiving and supportive....Hell, good luck find one who ain't into monthly botox and tossing Viagra at you every night after you take her out to dinner.
Sigh............
Ok, ok.....I need to fix my taillights and stop flirting..........This chic knows all about LE's and LEDs but she ain't givin it up....I'll lurk here and see if another can get her to answer.
#12
01-22-2009, 05:55 AM
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Danged it!...she totally ignored my flirt.....It happens every time I mention/ask if they cook.
I swear there ain't no more perfect women out there any longer...you simply can't find one with the right tatts and a hog of her own who is also slinder, obedient, forgiving and supportive....Hell, good luck find one who ain't into monthly botox and tossing Viagra at you every night after you take her out to dinner.
Sigh............
Ok, ok.....I need to fix my taillights and stop flirting..........This chic knows all about LE's and LEDs but she ain't givin it up....I'll lurk here and see if another can get her to answer.
I swear there ain't no more perfect women out there any longer...you simply can't find one with the right tatts and a hog of her own who is also slinder, obedient, forgiving and supportive....Hell, good luck find one who ain't into monthly botox and tossing Viagra at you every night after you take her out to dinner.
Sigh............
Ok, ok.....I need to fix my taillights and stop flirting..........This chic knows all about LE's and LEDs but she ain't givin it up....I'll lurk here and see if another can get her to answer.
Wow, that last post probably really helped your cause too....
Good write up on the LEDs and load equalizers
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01-22-2009, 07:31 AM
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Nice thread. Till I read it I did not know the function of a load equalizer and what it does. From your explanation I now understand their function and reason for existence.
To answer your question a load is a resistance. The load can and is created by LEDs, incandescent lights and motors as well as many other things. In fact every wire has it's own resistance or load thou extremely small. In wire resistance depends on what conductor is used to make the wire as well as length and thickness. Aluminum wire has more resistance than copper wire but gold has even less resistance. (If we could only afford gold wire we would find it on a Harley.)
Anyway since LEDs have less resistance than the system was designed for one needs to add more resistance so the system will still work. Theoretically you could do that by adding more LEDs to increase the load but more commonly you would add a resister or resister pack to increase the load. Resisters work by restricting the flow of electricity but the power consumed by the resistance needs to go somewhere so it is given off by heat. This is how an electric stove works. It is why a incandescent light gets warm and LEDs do as well but generally so little you can't tell. How well the heat is controlled is determined by the design of the resistance package.
One slip in your original post, "Anything else I need to know about the Load Equalizers?
Yes. Because they add voltage to maintain proper function of the turn signals.." is not correct. Load Equalizers apparently add load not voltage. If they did actually add voltage the load would actually decrease. But to understand that takes a good understanding of Ohms Law.
To answer your question a load is a resistance. The load can and is created by LEDs, incandescent lights and motors as well as many other things. In fact every wire has it's own resistance or load thou extremely small. In wire resistance depends on what conductor is used to make the wire as well as length and thickness. Aluminum wire has more resistance than copper wire but gold has even less resistance. (If we could only afford gold wire we would find it on a Harley.
)Anyway since LEDs have less resistance than the system was designed for one needs to add more resistance so the system will still work. Theoretically you could do that by adding more LEDs to increase the load but more commonly you would add a resister or resister pack to increase the load. Resisters work by restricting the flow of electricity but the power consumed by the resistance needs to go somewhere so it is given off by heat. This is how an electric stove works. It is why a incandescent light gets warm and LEDs do as well but generally so little you can't tell. How well the heat is controlled is determined by the design of the resistance package.
One slip in your original post, "Anything else I need to know about the Load Equalizers?
Yes. Because they add voltage to maintain proper function of the turn signals.." is not correct. Load Equalizers apparently add load not voltage. If they did actually add voltage the load would actually decrease. But to understand that takes a good understanding of Ohms Law.
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01-22-2009, 07:55 AM
I am sure a qualified electrician could add more to my $.02
Great explanation, I am sure it will help many.
Adam
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01-22-2009, 08:56 AM
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I swear there ain't no more perfect women out there any longer...you simply can't find one with the right tatts and a hog of her own who is also slinder, obedient, forgiving and supportive....Hell, good luck find one who ain't into monthly botox and tossing Viagra at you every night after you take her out to dinner.
Any woman who can research and diagnose the problems with a scoot can't be all bad! Sounds like your perfect women may have a flat head to set your beer on, pistol grip ears, and a big mouth to flip your ashes in. Keep hunting!
#17
01-22-2009, 09:11 AM
I'm trying to understand your setup because it seems like you contradicted yourself. You have a ridetimetech LED fender trim kit that functions as Brake light and Running light only. (no need for L.E.. with this) You also said you have the HD LED Run/Brake Turn signal module and are not running this with a Load Equalizer. Did you mean you have a tail light with integrated turn signals? I'm confused because you later said you do NOT have the turn signal module. I'm taking that to mean you have the run/brake/turn tail light (with the integrated turn signals), but have not installed LED's in your actual turn signals. I don't dispute this is now working at this time, but if I were you, especially if I was thinking about adding the LED turn signals, I'd get myself an equalizer.
Again, it is not necessary to have a L.E., but you are likely to experience fast flashing, no flashing or your turns acting as hazards when using one turn signal. (some people don't mind fast flashing) In my case, everything (seemed to) work fine for a few months. I got my bike on Sept 12. My turn signals worked fine until Jan 17th, when they went haywire. It was not until late Oct that I discovered my rear HD turn signals were not flashing as brake lights like they were supposed to. Probably ever since I picked up the bike. Other than that, they were fine. The Kury Panacea tail light was working as it should too. No issues with my alarm either. Then, last week, my alarm went off when I went out to go ride (fob was on the bike). After some time, it finally decided to recognize the fob, so I was finally able to start the bike and take off. During the ride, the alarm light kept going on and off. And, every time I engaged the left turn signal, all lights would flash (as hazards). Apparently, since the alarm going off enlisted the hazard flashers the TSSM was overwhelmed which made evertything go haywire. My Service Manager says the alarm went off because my system (TSSM) was already overwhelmed and confused, and because of that, all the other stuff happened.
This all got fixed yesterday. My HD Run/Brake Turn signal module, which has now been replaced with Kury, DID have a L.E. and it was installed along with the one that came with the Kury Tail Light. Problem was, Kury Panacea doesn't mix with HD's version of Panacea. Equalizer or not, the TSSM was getting overwhelmed and confused.
Again, it is not necessary to have a L.E., but you are likely to experience fast flashing, no flashing or your turns acting as hazards when using one turn signal. (some people don't mind fast flashing) In my case, everything (seemed to) work fine for a few months. I got my bike on Sept 12. My turn signals worked fine until Jan 17th, when they went haywire. It was not until late Oct that I discovered my rear HD turn signals were not flashing as brake lights like they were supposed to. Probably ever since I picked up the bike. Other than that, they were fine. The Kury Panacea tail light was working as it should too. No issues with my alarm either. Then, last week, my alarm went off when I went out to go ride (fob was on the bike). After some time, it finally decided to recognize the fob, so I was finally able to start the bike and take off. During the ride, the alarm light kept going on and off. And, every time I engaged the left turn signal, all lights would flash (as hazards). Apparently, since the alarm going off enlisted the hazard flashers the TSSM was overwhelmed which made evertything go haywire. My Service Manager says the alarm went off because my system (TSSM) was already overwhelmed and confused, and because of that, all the other stuff happened.
This all got fixed yesterday. My HD Run/Brake Turn signal module, which has now been replaced with Kury, DID have a L.E. and it was installed along with the one that came with the Kury Tail Light. Problem was, Kury Panacea doesn't mix with HD's version of Panacea. Equalizer or not, the TSSM was getting overwhelmed and confused.
Good Info and thanks for starting this discussion.
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I have gone through this a couple of times and the staff at:
www.biketronics.com
is very helpful when you are specking out your lighting.
www.biketronics.com
is very helpful when you are specking out your lighting.
#19
01-22-2009, 10:31 AM
I had Kury Panacea tail lights on my old RK, but decided against them for my SG because of cost and the fact that the LED's started going out just after the warranty (3-yr. on the LED's) elapsed. The fix was to replace the whole kaboodle to the tune of >$225--so instead I opted for the run/stop/turn module which has worked well. These have one load equalizer installed in the kit.
I find the running-lights and brake function of the two turn-signal lights to be adequate, I'd like more output out of the main tail light. I've looked into LED replacement bulbs but don't know if they'll (1) make much of a difference and (2) require more load equalizers. Has anyone made the change? I wouldn't mind changing to LED's if the price wasn't exorbitant and there is little intrigue in getting them to work reliably.
Mention of using the SG's fender-mounded running lights has me thinking in that direction should I decide to add any lights to the rear, like a small strip of LED's perhaps in place of the reflector above the tail light. I was rear-ended in 1990 at a traffic light on a MC and am sensitive about being seen in front and rear, and I tend to feel that more light is better. Flashing lights also increase awareness and I have my brake lights flashing for the first few seconds, a function of the Kury module, which helps.
I find the running-lights and brake function of the two turn-signal lights to be adequate, I'd like more output out of the main tail light. I've looked into LED replacement bulbs but don't know if they'll (1) make much of a difference and (2) require more load equalizers. Has anyone made the change? I wouldn't mind changing to LED's if the price wasn't exorbitant and there is little intrigue in getting them to work reliably.
Mention of using the SG's fender-mounded running lights has me thinking in that direction should I decide to add any lights to the rear, like a small strip of LED's perhaps in place of the reflector above the tail light. I was rear-ended in 1990 at a traffic light on a MC and am sensitive about being seen in front and rear, and I tend to feel that more light is better. Flashing lights also increase awareness and I have my brake lights flashing for the first few seconds, a function of the Kury module, which helps.
#20
01-22-2009, 10:42 AM
Oinker...you had me going 'til I saw the word "obedient" 
Guess I don't fit the bill! That, and I have never been very interested in cooking, (although I do love to Grill). Don't even have a tat. Love watching Pro and College Football and just got a .40 cal Sig. 
As far as the Botox...never felt the need...probably never will. Yeah, it all may look good in theory, BUT, I'm the first to admit, I can be a PITA! My independent/feisty spirit carries its own issues.
Sigh...
Oh, yeah, I am "off the market" and am I am as loyal as they come. That has more to do with the delayed flirt reaction. The cooking comments and such are all taken with a grain of salt and a sense of humor.
Guess I don't fit the bill! That, and I have never been very interested in cooking, (although I do love to Grill). Don't even have a tat. Love watching Pro and College Football and just got a .40 cal Sig. As far as the Botox...never felt the need...probably never will. Yeah, it all may look good in theory, BUT, I'm the first to admit, I can be a PITA! My independent/feisty spirit carries its own issues. Sigh...Oh, yeah, I am "off the market" and am I am as loyal as they come. That has more to do with the delayed flirt reaction. The cooking comments and such are all taken with a grain of salt and a sense of humor.
Danged it!...she totally ignored my flirt.....It happens every time I mention/ask if they cook.
I swear there ain't no more perfect women out there any longer...you simply can't find one with the right tatts and a hog of her own who is also slinder, obedient, forgiving and supportive....Hell, good luck find one who ain't into monthly botox and tossing Viagra at you every night after you take her out to dinner.
Sigh............
Ok, ok.....I need to fix my taillights and stop flirting..........This chic knows all about LE's and LEDs but she ain't givin it up....I'll lurk here and see if another can get her to answer.
I swear there ain't no more perfect women out there any longer...you simply can't find one with the right tatts and a hog of her own who is also slinder, obedient, forgiving and supportive....Hell, good luck find one who ain't into monthly botox and tossing Viagra at you every night after you take her out to dinner.
Sigh............
Ok, ok.....I need to fix my taillights and stop flirting..........This chic knows all about LE's and LEDs but she ain't givin it up....I'll lurk here and see if another can get her to answer.