Starter Kick Back
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2007
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Smokindave is right on the money.
If you don't take his advice you will pay the HD STEALERSHIP hundreds of dollars if not MORE in part replacements.
Remember most HD mechanics are NOT mechanics they are PART REPLACERS and are compensated very well for selling parts.
TAKE HIS ADVICE - I speak from experience....
Ride In Peace
If you don't take his advice you will pay the HD STEALERSHIP hundreds of dollars if not MORE in part replacements.
Remember most HD mechanics are NOT mechanics they are PART REPLACERS and are compensated very well for selling parts.
TAKE HIS ADVICE - I speak from experience....
Ride In Peace
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Don't wait for the engine light to go out. Turn on the ignition, hit the run switch and start it up. If you wait for the light, the PC does a diagnostic sumpthin' or other for a couple revolutions, I am told.
Try it it fires right up.
Mark
Try it it fires right up.
Mark
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Cruiser
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 226
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From: Creola, AL.
My starter issue is getting worse. My dealer doesn't have a clue. Try to blame it on the PCV every time I bring the issue up. Selling Dyna Jet products and dyno time, while blaming them for everything they can't explain, is the hight of hypocrisy in my opinion.
With the end of my factory warranty looming I decided to push the issue a little. Took it back to H&D Cycle, the bike shop that sold and installed my PCV. Told them what the dealer had said. First they disconnected the PCV and determined the problem still exists. Then they ran a check on the PCV and AT and found no errors. Told me their best guess is the compensator nut is loose, or the starter clutch is going bad. The dealer was confronted with this information and has agreed to take the bike in and take another look. Doing that this week. Will let the forum know the outcome.
I believe I'm on the leading edge of a big problem for HD. My bike is an 09 FLHR with 25,000 miles. Most 09's have much less mileage. Had to buy my first Dun lop 408 tire because I was one of the first to experience the cupping problem. Now good HD dealers are replacing them on warranty for their customers. Just my luck.
With the end of my factory warranty looming I decided to push the issue a little. Took it back to H&D Cycle, the bike shop that sold and installed my PCV. Told them what the dealer had said. First they disconnected the PCV and determined the problem still exists. Then they ran a check on the PCV and AT and found no errors. Told me their best guess is the compensator nut is loose, or the starter clutch is going bad. The dealer was confronted with this information and has agreed to take the bike in and take another look. Doing that this week. Will let the forum know the outcome.
I believe I'm on the leading edge of a big problem for HD. My bike is an 09 FLHR with 25,000 miles. Most 09's have much less mileage. Had to buy my first Dun lop 408 tire because I was one of the first to experience the cupping problem. Now good HD dealers are replacing them on warranty for their customers. Just my luck.
Extreme HDF Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 11,615
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
To repeat Mark's comments, when you start your bike hit the starter button immediately after turning on the switch. Don't wait for the check-engine light to extinguish. Do it this way and your bike should start immediately, and your dealer should know this.
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Cruiser
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: Creola, AL.
Since my problem doesn't happen every time, here is my theory on the problem. Sometimes the engine comes to rest with both the intake and exhaust valves closed on one of the cylinders. The cylinder being hot pressure builds and when you go to start it that pressure kicks back. By just bumping the starter it rotates the engine enough to open one of the valves and it relieves that pressure.
The SE compensator that has been discussed on here before has a built in shock absorber system that absorbs the shock of the kick back. Compression releases do the same thing. My non dealer shop does a lot of builds and always changes to a SE compensator when doing a build. I believe the SE compensator would solve my problem. Price for having the shop do that is $249.95 for the compensator and 1 1/2 hours labor. I'm going to see what Harley will do under warranty first. The bike did it several times on que for the service manager and his writer the other day. As the weather in Mobile is starting to get warm its more frequent these days. In the past it would never do it in their presence.
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Cruiser
Joined: Apr 2009
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From: Creola, AL.
Bike is at the dealer. They called today to report that the compensator has unacceptable wear and must be replaced. Everything else checks out. Will get it back tomorrow and will report once I ride it again
Road Captain
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 718
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From: Panama City, FL
Kickin back...
I had the same intermittent issue, and it did ruin the starter, HD replaced it under warranty. The service mgr told me to hit the start button right after you turn the switch on. Don't wait for the fuel pump to stop or the lights to go out. I have a 08 Ultra with a P/C III. He told me it has something to do with the crank position sensor and the P/C III.? I began starting my bike that way last September and it has not done it since, not one time, in about 4k miles, so I feel MY issue is solved. You can try that, it worked for me. Ride safe
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Joined: Nov 2006
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From: Windham,Maine
It is a problem for anyone dealing with more compression,a tune not done correctly,and bigger inch motors.Most all the time it it because of the comp sprocket.
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Road Warrior
Joined: Mar 2008
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From: Oh
Mine did it from day 1 with a stock motor, not anymore.
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Joined: Feb 2007
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From: Bellevue, NE
Mine too. Andrews cams helped some, SE Comp helped some. Timing adjustments helped some. Nothing has cured it yet.