Full Sac X-Pipe vs. Fuel Moto 2/1/2
#21
06-26-2013, 03:15 PM
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I am thinking seriously of getting the Jackpot 2-1-2 headers. Can someone explain to me the benefits of ceramic coating the head pipes. My understanding so far is that it makes for better gas flow through the pipes and heat reduction on the outside of the pipes. If this is true is there enough benefit to justify the extra cost?
I've bought two of them, both coated. If I were to buy another one (I would), it'd be coated too.
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06-27-2013, 03:20 PM
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06-27-2013, 04:05 PM
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I have the FM 2-1-2 head pipe with the ceramic coating. The installation was easy. Fit was perfect. This is important when the head pipe is all one assembly. Unlike the old EVO set up the flanges and seals have to fit perfectly to each cylinder head to avoid exhaust leaks at the head. I'm mentioning the dimensional precision just as a way to highlight the FM quality.
You could not go wrong with either set up functionally and you would not be able to tell the difference. I chose FM on the basis of warranty and customer service.
You could not go wrong with either set up functionally and you would not be able to tell the difference. I chose FM on the basis of warranty and customer service.
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06-27-2013, 05:48 PM
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I have never seen the other pipe first hand and can only speak for the Jackpot 2/1/2 however there are definitely differences between them. Our Jackpot head pipes are constructed completely from 304 stainless while the other is mild steel. Jackpot head pipes carry an industry leading Lifetime Warranty. Our pipe also has both 12mm and 18mm bungs which will support factory and aftermarket wideband sensors and we include plugs for them as well. Our pipes are completely CNC formed which not only will flow better as there are less joints and welds, but it allows us to use only 5 sections of tubing for the entire pipe instead of many more sections welded together. Our pipe has been tested in many, many applications, we have a wide range of dyno charts on our website and also have many PC-V, Power Vision, and Thundermax calibrations for our systems. We also offer an optional proprietary HTC inner/outer ceramic coating.
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#25
06-27-2013, 06:46 PM
I have the FM 2-1-2 with the HTC coating and a full size cross-over pipe, mated to 4" Rineharts. I like the setup, but I think if I were to do it again, I'd take a hard look at the Fullsac DX pipe with full size cross-over.
My FM still allows more exhaust out the right than the left. Fortunately it's not an audible difference, it can only be felt by hand. But I suspect the DX would be close to equal flow out of each pipe for a balanced sound.
But seriously, you're splitting hairs here. I'd bet there's no performance difference on the dyno.
The biggest difference is mild steel versus stainless. The FM will never rust. The Fullsac will rust if the coating is rubbed off (quite likely with hose clamps for the heat shields over time).
My FM still allows more exhaust out the right than the left. Fortunately it's not an audible difference, it can only be felt by hand. But I suspect the DX would be close to equal flow out of each pipe for a balanced sound.
But seriously, you're splitting hairs here. I'd bet there's no performance difference on the dyno.
The biggest difference is mild steel versus stainless. The FM will never rust. The Fullsac will rust if the coating is rubbed off (quite likely with hose clamps for the heat shields over time).
#26
06-27-2013, 07:17 PM
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I have the FM 2-1-2 with the HTC coating and a full size cross-over pipe, mated to 4" Rineharts. I like the setup, but I think if I were to do it again, I'd take a hard look at the Fullsac DX pipe with full size cross-over.
My FM still allows more exhaust out the right than the left. Fortunately it's not an audible difference, it can only be felt by hand. But I suspect the DX would be close to equal flow out of each pipe for a balanced sound.
But seriously, you're splitting hairs here. I'd bet there's no performance difference on the dyno.
The biggest difference is mild steel versus stainless. The FM will never rust. The Fullsac will rust if the coating is rubbed off (quite likely with hose clamps for the heat shields over time).
My FM still allows more exhaust out the right than the left. Fortunately it's not an audible difference, it can only be felt by hand. But I suspect the DX would be close to equal flow out of each pipe for a balanced sound.
But seriously, you're splitting hairs here. I'd bet there's no performance difference on the dyno.
The biggest difference is mild steel versus stainless. The FM will never rust. The Fullsac will rust if the coating is rubbed off (quite likely with hose clamps for the heat shields over time).
Living in the Northeast, the Fullsac is a non-starter due to the mild steel construction, and by extension FuelMoto/Jackpot's lifetime warranty. I've not dealt with Fullsac, but I can't imagine that anyone tops FuelMoto's service.
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