when is pinging the most prevelant during acceleration or steady cruising?
#11
If it is a solitary tink or several tink tinks and the knock sensing system is eliminating it then I shouldnt worry about until its no longer being handled and I start getting the infamous chitty chatter bing bing on acceleration. Now how does the fact that Im approaching 6 k miles play into it, can normal carbon building up inside the engine be the cause and the tink a symptom of buildup I should be addressing with Seafoam or a cooler plug perhaps....what do you think 2black1s ?
#12
Tucci,
With 6000 miles you are almost exactly where I was last summer with my bike. By the time I got to 7500 miles there was no question what that tink' tink' tink' sound was.
As the miles piled on the conditions got very predicable.
Hot day
Hot engine
Engine under load
Higher Gears lower rpms (under 4000)
Since I had not modified my engine in thousands of miles, and the fact that it was progressively and clearly getting worse eventually led me the the same line of thinking with the carbon build up you are having. My thoughts are that the carbon build up contributes to the problem when it forms an insulating barrier that holds in heat. After trying a number of things including a generous tankful of seafoam, the problem remained.
Trying to visualize what is going on inside the combustion chamber with a sparkplug hanging out in the open reminded me of my days with a blowtorch, I know that when trying to heat up a large mass, anything small that protrudes will easily glow red hot first. Since a glowing red hot sparkplug is not the way it is intended to run and plugs are cheap, I tried a colder set.
I'm happy to share the one range colder sparkplug did the trick.
With 6000 miles you are almost exactly where I was last summer with my bike. By the time I got to 7500 miles there was no question what that tink' tink' tink' sound was.
As the miles piled on the conditions got very predicable.
Hot day
Hot engine
Engine under load
Higher Gears lower rpms (under 4000)
Since I had not modified my engine in thousands of miles, and the fact that it was progressively and clearly getting worse eventually led me the the same line of thinking with the carbon build up you are having. My thoughts are that the carbon build up contributes to the problem when it forms an insulating barrier that holds in heat. After trying a number of things including a generous tankful of seafoam, the problem remained.
Trying to visualize what is going on inside the combustion chamber with a sparkplug hanging out in the open reminded me of my days with a blowtorch, I know that when trying to heat up a large mass, anything small that protrudes will easily glow red hot first. Since a glowing red hot sparkplug is not the way it is intended to run and plugs are cheap, I tried a colder set.
I'm happy to share the one range colder sparkplug did the trick.
#13
The only changes that seem to effect the pinging on my bike are: 1) AFR; and 2) Timing; with timing being the prominent player.
If you've got a pinging issue, timing is the first place I'd be looking to correct it. Of course, this is assuming the fuel, the temperature, etc., are not contributing.
#14
EDIT: Sorry! Misread the original post. Thanks to the next two posters for pointing that out.
Last edited by 2black1s; 05-25-2012 at 05:43 PM.
#16
#17
Tucci,
With 6000 miles you are almost exactly where I was last summer with my bike. By the time I got to 7500 miles there was no question what that tink' tink' tink' sound was.
As the miles piled on the conditions got very predicable.
Hot day
Hot engine
Engine under load
Higher Gears lower rpms (under 4000)
Since I had not modified my engine in thousands of miles, and the fact that it was progressively and clearly getting worse eventually led me the the same line of thinking with the carbon build up you are having. My thoughts are that the carbon build up contributes to the problem when it forms an insulating barrier that holds in heat. After trying a number of things including a generous tankful of seafoam, the problem remained.
Trying to visualize what is going on inside the combustion chamber with a sparkplug hanging out in the open reminded me of my days with a blowtorch, I know that when trying to heat up a large mass, anything small that protrudes will easily glow red hot first. Since a glowing red hot sparkplug is not the way it is intended to run and plugs are cheap, I tried a colder set.
I'm happy to share the one range colder sparkplug did the trick.
With 6000 miles you are almost exactly where I was last summer with my bike. By the time I got to 7500 miles there was no question what that tink' tink' tink' sound was.
As the miles piled on the conditions got very predicable.
Hot day
Hot engine
Engine under load
Higher Gears lower rpms (under 4000)
Since I had not modified my engine in thousands of miles, and the fact that it was progressively and clearly getting worse eventually led me the the same line of thinking with the carbon build up you are having. My thoughts are that the carbon build up contributes to the problem when it forms an insulating barrier that holds in heat. After trying a number of things including a generous tankful of seafoam, the problem remained.
Trying to visualize what is going on inside the combustion chamber with a sparkplug hanging out in the open reminded me of my days with a blowtorch, I know that when trying to heat up a large mass, anything small that protrudes will easily glow red hot first. Since a glowing red hot sparkplug is not the way it is intended to run and plugs are cheap, I tried a colder set.
I'm happy to share the one range colder sparkplug did the trick.
#18
You're right. If this is the condition then it's not that urgent to worry about. Even though, on my bike I adjusted the timing to eliminate even these momentary knocks.
While carbon build-up is a possible cause, I think there are more likely scenarios. My bike now has around 22,000 miles on it and the pinging never changed with mileage. You've seen my air cleaner breathers routed directly into the throttle body, so if carbon build-up was really that common of a cause, I'd be a likely candidate for that condition, yet I've never seen it.
The only changes that seem to effect the pinging on my bike are: 1) AFR; and 2) Timing; with timing being the prominent player.
If you've got a pinging issue, timing is the first place I'd be looking to correct it. Of course, this is assuming the fuel, the temperature, etc., are not contributing.
While carbon build-up is a possible cause, I think there are more likely scenarios. My bike now has around 22,000 miles on it and the pinging never changed with mileage. You've seen my air cleaner breathers routed directly into the throttle body, so if carbon build-up was really that common of a cause, I'd be a likely candidate for that condition, yet I've never seen it.
The only changes that seem to effect the pinging on my bike are: 1) AFR; and 2) Timing; with timing being the prominent player.
If you've got a pinging issue, timing is the first place I'd be looking to correct it. Of course, this is assuming the fuel, the temperature, etc., are not contributing.
#19
I must confess that placing a fuel manager on my bike is something I've considered, but in the same token the complexity intimidates me and I would not know how to navigate comfortably with it. Unless I know exactly how to use it and adjust it I'm abstaining. For what I read they can do, it's def something I would be interested in but the fact remains.
If you ever decide on a tuner though, I'm sure you can learn and understand its in's and out's with a little effort. And then you'll look back and say "****, I should have done this ages ago".
#20
Did you go with the VRod plug, I picked up the NGK Iridium in the VRod heat range (DCPR8EIX or 6546) this morning and was going to put them in sometime this weekend. If I didn't index them I could do it before I ride in the morning, which is what I'm thinking of doing. Is it possible that just going one heat range cooler is all it takes? Apparently you've already got your answer, it may be mine by the time I get back.
I don't think the brand matters as much as the temperature of the plug.
I got the iridium plug from Denso #IXU24. Yes, I sometimes am particular to a fault as well, so they are indexed.