True track and sputhe stabilizers
#12
06-28-2016, 10:14 PM
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I like mounting them down there on my bikes. And im not crazy about the battery cover ones.
As for the big bear mount I guess its good but it still leaves me with no rear stabilization. And its not cheap. I think the best and most effective set up is front and rear stabilization. My other bike is an fxr with a huge engine and custom suspension. And a ton of crazy go fast parts. I like bikes that I can really get aggressive on I ride them hard. I believe there is no getting around the fact these bikes have a design flaw. But other than that I really love this bike. I just want to gather as much info as I can before I choose which company to spend my $400 with.
I appreciate all the feedback thank you
As for the big bear mount I guess its good but it still leaves me with no rear stabilization. And its not cheap. I think the best and most effective set up is front and rear stabilization. My other bike is an fxr with a huge engine and custom suspension. And a ton of crazy go fast parts. I like bikes that I can really get aggressive on I ride them hard. I believe there is no getting around the fact these bikes have a design flaw. But other than that I really love this bike. I just want to gather as much info as I can before I choose which company to spend my $400 with.
I appreciate all the feedback thank you
#13
06-28-2016, 11:23 PM
Road Master
Fxdlx: I appriciate you showing me that front mount but I think the real solution for these bike is front and rear stabilization.
Cjd197: I also have a US patent and that will be the reason I will go with the true track. But I would still really like to get your feedback once you get it installed that would be great thank you.
Also I would love to know if I would still have room for a tool bag with the true track it looks like it really stick out far on that front engine mount
Cjd197: I also have a US patent and that will be the reason I will go with the true track. But I would still really like to get your feedback once you get it installed that would be great thank you.
Also I would love to know if I would still have room for a tool bag with the true track it looks like it really stick out far on that front engine mount
#14
06-28-2016, 11:35 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
people love the vibraticnics mount, but i took mine off. It is not as good as stabalizer as true trck. It was glass smooth at some rpms and more vibs at other rpms. Also when i hit a good pot hole, the mount would bottom out causing a bang noise
the true track sticks out pretty far. i think a tool bag would not mount very good but i have not tried it
the true track sticks out pretty far. i think a tool bag would not mount very good but i have not tried it
#15
06-28-2016, 11:47 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
Fxdlx: I appriciate you showing me that front mount but I think the real solution for these bike is front and rear stabilization.
Cjd197: I also have a US patent and that will be the reason I will go with the true track. But I would still really like to get your feedback once you get it installed that would be great thank you.
Also I would love to know if I would still have room for a tool bag with the true track it looks like it really stick out far on that front engine mount
Cjd197: I also have a US patent and that will be the reason I will go with the true track. But I would still really like to get your feedback once you get it installed that would be great thank you.
Also I would love to know if I would still have room for a tool bag with the true track it looks like it really stick out far on that front engine mount
http://www.google.com/patents/US7677348
I've not seen a patent take 5 1/2 years to complete.. Wonder what the issues were.
#16
06-28-2016, 11:52 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
I like mounting them down there on my bikes. And im not crazy about the battery cover ones.
As for the big bear mount I guess its good but it still leaves me with no rear stabilization. And its not cheap. I think the best and most effective set up is front and rear stabilization. My other bike is an fxr with a huge engine and custom suspension. And a ton of crazy go fast parts. I like bikes that I can really get aggressive on I ride them hard. I believe there is no getting around the fact these bikes have a design flaw. But other than that I really love this bike. I just want to gather as much info as I can before I choose which company to spend my $400 with.
I appreciate all the feedback thank you
As for the big bear mount I guess its good but it still leaves me with no rear stabilization. And its not cheap. I think the best and most effective set up is front and rear stabilization. My other bike is an fxr with a huge engine and custom suspension. And a ton of crazy go fast parts. I like bikes that I can really get aggressive on I ride them hard. I believe there is no getting around the fact these bikes have a design flaw. But other than that I really love this bike. I just want to gather as much info as I can before I choose which company to spend my $400 with.
I appreciate all the feedback thank you
#17
06-29-2016, 08:03 AM
Extreme HDF Member
I like mounting them down there on my bikes. And im not crazy about the battery cover ones.
As for the big bear mount I guess its good but it still leaves me with no rear stabilization. And its not cheap. I think the best and most effective set up is front and rear stabilization. My other bike is an fxr with a huge engine and custom suspension. And a ton of crazy go fast parts. I like bikes that I can really get aggressive on I ride them hard. I believe there is no getting around the fact these bikes have a design flaw. But other than that I really love this bike. I just want to gather as much info as I can before I choose which company to spend my $400 with.
I appreciate all the feedback thank you
As for the big bear mount I guess its good but it still leaves me with no rear stabilization. And its not cheap. I think the best and most effective set up is front and rear stabilization. My other bike is an fxr with a huge engine and custom suspension. And a ton of crazy go fast parts. I like bikes that I can really get aggressive on I ride them hard. I believe there is no getting around the fact these bikes have a design flaw. But other than that I really love this bike. I just want to gather as much info as I can before I choose which company to spend my $400 with.
I appreciate all the feedback thank you
#18
06-29-2016, 07:06 PM
While TT may hold the patent, I kind of wonder if it was a "first to file" patent as I remember buying my Sputhe back in about 2004-2006. Look at the filing date for the TT.. I do know when I bought the sputhe system, TT was not making a TT for the dynas but only the baggers.
http://www.google.com/patents/US7677348
I've not seen a patent take 5 1/2 years to complete.. Wonder what the issues were.
http://www.google.com/patents/US7677348
I've not seen a patent take 5 1/2 years to complete.. Wonder what the issues were.
So, I don't know the story, but I doubt the Sputhe came first. Remember a patent is for the idea...so if they got the patent on one type bike, it applies to all like designs unless there is a substantial difference to argue it's a "new" design.
Oh, for those having engine mount rotation issues, the True Trac does have a stop designed in to print excessive motor movement vertically.
#19
06-29-2016, 11:07 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
Patents easily take 5 years to obtain. 10 years is not unheard of. Like everything related to the government, the US Patent Office is sadly understaffed and behind. I do know that the True Trac designer died 4 years ago...so they had to have it that long. If other parties are already building your design before you file for a patent, that is grounds for denial.
So, I don't know the story, but I doubt the Sputhe came first. Remember a patent is for the idea...so if they got the patent on one type bike, it applies to all like designs unless there is a substantial difference to argue it's a "new" design.
Oh, for those having engine mount rotation issues, the True Trac does have a stop designed in to print excessive motor movement vertically.
So, I don't know the story, but I doubt the Sputhe came first. Remember a patent is for the idea...so if they got the patent on one type bike, it applies to all like designs unless there is a substantial difference to argue it's a "new" design.
Oh, for those having engine mount rotation issues, the True Trac does have a stop designed in to print excessive motor movement vertically.
Not sure what the differences are between the TT patent and the Brendelson patent US 7,201,246. Which only took 2 years BTW.. It was filed in 2005 and issued in 07. As far as I can tell they both use a link in the rear..
Last edited by Max Headflow; 06-29-2016 at 11:09 PM. Reason: typo
#20
07-15-2016, 12:41 AM
I finally got around to installing the True Trac. The front is fairly easy, since the access is wide open. I changed the mounts while adding the True Trac, so that added a little work to the job. The rear mount is trickier. You have to remove the lower belt guard, and I also had to break open the rear break lines and rotate the master cylinder to access the rear mount bolts on the right side. Threading the bolts on the left of the bike into the true Trac plate on the right was the most time consuming part of the job.
Total time was a couple hours with the mount change too.
There is a subtle but very definite improvement with the True Trac. The fresh engine mounts have reduced vibration by at least half, while the bike feels tight now. I used to get a 'loose" feeling at all speeds. Part of tightening it up, is seems to break the tires easier in both acceleration and braking. I'm sure that's from the reduced flexing in the drive line.
As far as riding, overall I think the True Trac is very worth the time and money. No more loose feeling or squirming on the freeway. That said, I can also see how riders who never scrape their pegs would completely miss the difference. It's there, but it is subtle at low speeds. At higher speeds it is much more of a difference.
Definitely should be high on your Dyna wish list!
Total time was a couple hours with the mount change too.
There is a subtle but very definite improvement with the True Trac. The fresh engine mounts have reduced vibration by at least half, while the bike feels tight now. I used to get a 'loose" feeling at all speeds. Part of tightening it up, is seems to break the tires easier in both acceleration and braking. I'm sure that's from the reduced flexing in the drive line.
As far as riding, overall I think the True Trac is very worth the time and money. No more loose feeling or squirming on the freeway. That said, I can also see how riders who never scrape their pegs would completely miss the difference. It's there, but it is subtle at low speeds. At higher speeds it is much more of a difference.
Definitely should be high on your Dyna wish list!