EVO All Evo Model Discussion

Is Dyno-tuning worth the cost?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 08-19-2014, 07:55 PM
AAAC's Avatar
AAAC
AAAC is offline
Tourer
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Idaho
Posts: 326
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default Is Dyno-tuning worth the cost?

I really cannot afford it but my bike is NOT running right and I don't have the ability to fix it. My trial and err hasn't really gotten me anywhere. I'm curious if dyno-tuning is worth the expense? Can they really use the dyno to tune everything in perfectly? This is a very reputable shop. I'm just wondering it's actually worth paying for the dyno as opposed to taking it to a regular bike mechanic and letting him mess with it. It's going to cost me about $200 just to have the bike hooked up and for the first hour's worth of work. It's $105 an hour after that. From what I understand, that's cheap for dyno tuning but his machine is long paid for. With that being said, my cash flow is tight right now...so I'm just trying to weigh everything. I know what the bike is capable of now...and I'm not going to be happy until I get it back to it's maximum potential. I appreciate ya'lls feedback on the matter! I'm not even really sure exactly how they use the dyno to tune it but I was told that they can really dial everything in to it's maximum potential with that machine. Thanks again!
 
  #2  
Old 08-19-2014, 08:04 PM
aces&8s's Avatar
aces&8s
aces&8s is offline
Ultimate HDF Member
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: almost there
Posts: 6,567
Received 574 Likes on 380 Posts
Default

IMHO, mostly for FI bikes. Carb bikes not really. If you or Indy, can dynamic time your carb bike and set up your carb right your pretty much dialed in.
ALSO, The Dyno man has to be good at dynoing your bike or your getting screwed again. Most dyno dudes aint worth your cash...
If you want a perfect tune you have to get Spanners a ticket from New Sealand...
 

Last edited by aces&8s; 08-19-2014 at 08:11 PM.
  #3  
Old 08-19-2014, 08:04 PM
Dr.Hess's Avatar
Dr.Hess
Dr.Hess is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NW AR
Posts: 8,016
Received 2,707 Likes on 1,343 Posts
Default

The question is not if dyno tuning is worth it. The question is why isn't your bike running right? When was it last running right? What did you do to it? Is something broken or out of adjustment? Fix that.
 
  #4  
Old 08-19-2014, 08:35 PM
AAAC's Avatar
AAAC
AAAC is offline
Tourer
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Idaho
Posts: 326
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Dr.Hess
The question is not if dyno tuning is worth it. The question is why isn't your bike running right? When was it last running right? What did you do to it? Is something broken or out of adjustment? Fix that.

It's just a few adjustments! We had it dialed in last week and she was pulling HARD. Then I let the same guy who helped me get it dialed in try a few more tweaks and now it's running like crap. The only things we adjusted were the accelerator pump, the air/fuel mixture, the setting from "race" to oem on the Fireball IM and the timing advance. He changed the rev limiter too but I don't think that would affect anything. Now we cannot get it back to where it was. It's backfiring out of the exhaust really bad and it's also backfiring out of the carb...kind of spitting/cutting out occasionally. I set the Mikuni carb back to factory specs and started playing with the timing advance but I'm not getting anywhere. It's going to have to go in to a mechanic (b/c I don't even know how to set my own timing). I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth the extra money for the dyno to make sure everything gets tuned right. Thanks.
 
  #5  
Old 08-19-2014, 08:40 PM
0maha's Avatar
0maha
0maha is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Omaha
Posts: 6,513
Received 4,668 Likes on 1,660 Posts
Default

The dyno is just a source of information. The value it brings is entirely a function of whether or not the person doing the tuning knows what to do with the information.

If you're just looking to have a good running, tractable street bike, a dyno is nice but hardly required. At best, it will save your tuner some test runs, but it still comes down to his skill.

If you are a racer/hot-rodder etc who is trying to extract the last 1% of power from a motor that is already at 99%, a dyno is essential.
 
  #6  
Old 08-19-2014, 08:55 PM
AAAC's Avatar
AAAC
AAAC is offline
Tourer
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Idaho
Posts: 326
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 0maha
The dyno is just a source of information. The value it brings is entirely a function of whether or not the person doing the tuning knows what to do with the information.

If you're just looking to have a good running, tractable street bike, a dyno is nice but hardly required. At best, it will save your tuner some test runs, but it still comes down to his skill.

If you are a racer/hot-rodder etc who is trying to extract the last 1% of power from a motor that is already at 99%, a dyno is essential.

This is exactly what I'm trying to get out of it. Thanks!
 
  #7  
Old 08-19-2014, 09:13 PM
cowboy 51's Avatar
cowboy 51
cowboy 51 is offline
Road Master
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Alvin TX
Posts: 794
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

like aces&8 said to me it's best for efi bikes , but have seen it done on carb bikes , ask around your area to see what word of mouth brings , maybe go to a bike night & see on of the newer bike riders with after market pipes & see who they used my indy here has a dyno & knows how to use it , or ask around to see what riders say about indys in your area
 
  #8  
Old 08-19-2014, 09:23 PM
johnjzjz's Avatar
johnjzjz
johnjzjz is offline
Seasoned HDF Member
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: la la land jerzey
Posts: 12,275
Received 4,536 Likes on 2,872 Posts
Default

in the zeal of riding a powerfull bike you broke something -

you need to do 2 tests - compression - and leak down - the old guy you went to is your best bet - he found an issue and YOU then reved the dog **** out of it - well you might not think so -- but now you need to go back to the basic tests - before throwing money at a big timing light with someone of unknown talent --
 
  #9  
Old 08-19-2014, 11:37 PM
Hackd's Avatar
Hackd
Hackd is offline
Elite HDF Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Canton, Michigan
Posts: 3,872
Received 81 Likes on 76 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 0maha
The dyno is just a source of information. The value it brings is entirely a function of whether or not the person doing the tuning knows what to do with the information.
This ^^^^^

I'm a big believer in dyno tuning. Not a big believer that everyone who owns one, knows how to use them to correctly tune an engine. That being said, an experienced tuner should be able to get you dialed in, in about an hour.

Unless you've got some serious issues. And in that case a reputable shop won't run your dyno bill up, until they've corrected the problems.

The 'vehicle' owner (car/bike/atv/etc.) needs to also realize that all dynos are not created equal. And that readings are affected by a number of external factors. Ambient temperature, relative humidity, and altitude to name a few.
 
  #10  
Old 08-20-2014, 02:36 AM
apples402's Avatar
apples402
apples402 is offline
Road Captain
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: nebraska
Posts: 550
Received 40 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

Seems to me that a good mechanic/tuner at 1/2 the cost of dyno time would still save money even with test ride time. Provided he has experience with your bike and setup.
 


Quick Reply: Is Dyno-tuning worth the cost?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:20 PM.