Touring Models Road King, Road King Custom, Road King Classic, Road Glide, Street Glide, Electra Glide, Electra Glide Classic, and Electra Glide Ultra Classic bikes.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Reverse Bleeding Harley Brakes

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 08-28-2016, 10:03 PM
sel53's Avatar
sel53
sel53 is offline
Tourer
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Los Angeles County
Posts: 297
Received 12 Likes on 8 Posts
Default Reverse Bleeding Harley Brakes


Hi all,
After minorly sucking some air into my master cylinder while bleeding my front brakes (yeah, I know), I discovered reverse bleeding as a way to not try to suck the bubble through the whole system.

I found a couple of posts that showed ways to do it, and I thought I would share how I did it for anyone who needs it.

I used a bottle of gear lube, empty and really cleaned out, along with a length of 1/4" vinyl tubing, plugged into the bike's calipers, and set it up so that the fluid flowed back up to the master cylinder. Here's a photo of the setup.
There is a bottle of brake fluid in the gear lube bottle, and a hole in the bottom of the bottle. Gravity takes the fluid into the system and the master cylinder fills up. We used a turkey baster to suck the fluid out when it filled.

I occasionally gently jiggle the brake handle, which pushed some accumulated bubbles out the recirculating holes in the bottom of the master cylinder.

Then I bled the thing back the normal way. The brake is really firm now, very nice.

Here are some links to the other posts I found about this.

http://www.harley-davidsonforums.com...ml#post1142929

http://www.moccsplace.com/images/bra...er/bleeder.htm

Best.
 

Last edited by sel53; 08-28-2016 at 10:09 PM.
The following 2 users liked this post by sel53:
GriffinDenim13FLHX (08-29-2016), JesseDyna (08-30-2016)
  #2  
Old 08-29-2016, 05:23 AM
grbrown's Avatar
grbrown
grbrown is offline
Club Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Bedford UK
Posts: 45,435
Received 2,852 Likes on 2,419 Posts
Talking

Well done - surgical precision by the look of it!
 
  #3  
Old 08-29-2016, 05:54 AM
Back-n-Black's Avatar
Back-n-Black
Back-n-Black is offline
Road Warrior
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,521
Received 427 Likes on 229 Posts
Default

I hope that bottle was as clean as you think it was....Brake fluid is contaminated very easily.

Idea is sound tho...
 
  #4  
Old 08-29-2016, 07:16 AM
crimson13's Avatar
crimson13
crimson13 is offline
Elite HDF Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Leroy,Alabama
Posts: 4,083
Received 57 Likes on 44 Posts
Default

I agree with the other posters ,good idea for sure.
 
  #5  
Old 08-29-2016, 07:26 AM
ORradtech's Avatar
ORradtech
ORradtech is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,172
Received 371 Likes on 321 Posts
Default

Reverse bleeding can be helpful. I prefer to use a 60cc syringe though. I believe it's more controllable.
Your arrangement, while functional, looks like a brake fluid disaster waiting to happen.
 
The following users liked this post:
Spokane2303 (11-30-2018)
  #6  
Old 08-29-2016, 12:55 PM
stoneybagger's Avatar
stoneybagger
stoneybagger is offline
Elite HDF Member
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: playing with madness
Posts: 3,615
Received 669 Likes on 315 Posts
Default

nice 16' extension ladder, always wanted one.
 
  #7  
Old 08-29-2016, 04:36 PM
Punjabi Rider's Avatar
Punjabi Rider
Punjabi Rider is offline
Grand HDF Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Green Country Oklahoma
Posts: 3,743
Received 242 Likes on 192 Posts
Default

Wonder if that will work on the Rushmore with electronic linked and ABS brake system.
 
  #8  
Old 08-29-2016, 05:46 PM
ORradtech's Avatar
ORradtech
ORradtech is offline
Outstanding HDF Member
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Georgia
Posts: 2,172
Received 371 Likes on 321 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Punjabi HD
Wonder if that will work on the Rushmore with electronic linked and ABS brake system.
Yes, forward or reverse bleeding will work on ABS systems. The important thing is to not introduce air into the ABS system. So bleed them without turning the bike on. If you want the ABS module bled then you have a couple of choices. Either take it to a dealer to cycle the ABS module or make several stops rapidly enough to cause the ABS to engage.
ABS braking systems, at their core, are nothing more than a normal hydraulic brake system with a safety system piggybacked to keep the wheels from locking up. If the ABS system were to fail you would still have perfectly normal braking just like a pre ABS vehicle.
 
The following users liked this post:
skydude426 (08-29-2016)
  #9  
Old 08-29-2016, 06:08 PM
Buelligan666's Avatar
Buelligan666
Buelligan666 is offline
Stellar HDF Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Eastern Ohio
Posts: 2,726
Received 644 Likes on 336 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ORradtech
Reverse bleeding can be helpful. I prefer to use a 60cc syringe though. I believe it's more controllable.
Your arrangement, while functional, looks like a brake fluid disaster waiting to happen.
I agree. After seeing what dot4 will do to paint, I try to keep it contained and controlled as best I can. I use a mighty vac, you can use them in reverse to push the fluid too. I didn't think my clutch was bled out after changing lines for my bar swap. I bled and bled and bled. Then I reverse bled using the mighty vac. I have a long hose so I can stand and watch the master cylinder. Turns out the clutch was bled. The plates were sticking and wouldn't let the bike roll, after up to temp it was like pushing the bike around in neutral.
 
  #10  
Old 08-29-2016, 11:50 PM
sel53's Avatar
sel53
sel53 is offline
Tourer
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Los Angeles County
Posts: 297
Received 12 Likes on 8 Posts
Default

Lot of good comments. I struggled with most of them before doing it this way.

It is probably hard to tell but that bottle is WAY over from the bike (yes, fear played a hand here), and letting gravity do the trick I didn't have to do much more than check the hose connections every so often (and of course suck the master cylinder often).

i knew I would get an appropriate garage comment from someone ... Thanks for being kind, Stoney
 


Quick Reply: Reverse Bleeding Harley Brakes



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:19 AM.