Problem is that few are probably compliant. About all is slip ons from an exhaust point of view, and maybe more AC's but I don't know.

AND, the term "preban" in the subject line brings back too many bad memories. Ugh.

 

Dot Gov is always trying to screw up all my hobbies. Guns, bikes, boats, RC drones, so yeah the term Preban sucks ***!!!!

 

I wonder if these ECM's are smart enough to detect a change and have a log everytime a tune is changed, thus ultimately voiding the warranty?

So say you need to go in for warranty work and you had a different tune in it and changed it back to stock, would dealers be able to detect those changes? I know people put new tunes on their cars and pretty much voided whatever warranty they had so, Im guessing it would be pretty much be the same. A tune pretty much voids the entire engine and electronics systems if something goes wrong. Yes I understand the MM act, but dealers can easily say that your tune voided your warranty if it is engine related.

 

No doubt; living through the '94 AWB, I hoarded my pre-ban toys during those dark days and now it's coming for my HD"s... make mine a pre-ban, I want all the evil features

 

Well, you better get ready for the next one, my brother.

You know damn good and well what that witch is going to put us through, next.

 

Only applies to hd's activities... not those of third parties.

Im looking at an fxdx as a third bike and also possibly converting the efis to carb since kits are ready available from mikuni and friends

 

There ya go! Carb conversion for the win!

 

In CA it is illegal to ride or park in a public place any bike with an exhaust system that is not stamped it is in compliance with the State's emissions standards for the year the bike was manufactured.

 

I have trouble with some of the interpretations of the Magnuson Moss Act. I think others do too.. The Act covers a bunch of definitions of types of warranties. I think the big item that affects most accessory installation is that anyone can work in the item under warranty but if they somehow screw it up it's on them.. In other words you change your shock to shorter ones as a result squashing a wire that burns up part of the wiring harness.. This will not be covered under warranty.

How doing things like changing tuners can fall under the same circumstances if the tune was not done correctly.. Technically (IMO) anything that increases power has the potential to void the warranty as all the supplier has to do is claim the motorcycle was not designed for additional power.. But .. As soon as the supplier comes out with a kit that makes more power that claim becomes moot..

Here is one that can be an issue.. The infamous V in error.. If a person installs power vision on a MC and gets V in Errors, it's entirely possible that altering the ECM has made the bike harder to start causing the error.. Power vision has the ability to setup and/or disable compression releases. Can that be part of the issue?

FWIW I would hope HD would step up to the plate and ad least determine where the fault lies.

I do think that the a lot of what's coming down, will limit and possibly lock out aftermarket flash based systems as part of the requirement for a properly functioning vehicle is that it meets emissions. As soon as a vehicle is modified, it no longer meets emissions standards and warrantee is void until the vehicle is repaired back to meet those standards.. Kind of like the 2 short shock thing.

I know this all sucks but that's our government at work..

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Here is a description of the Act that is not too hard to understand..

http://www.mlmlaw.com/library/guides...s/undermag.htm

 

I believe that only applies to vehicles made after some date.. 2010? Good ol' Arnold signed that one into law..