Pulled the trigger on a Zippers T/MAX
#21
04-21-2010, 05:43 AM
Tourer
The only difficult part on the dyna is taking out the electrical caddy and using a dremel to trim off some plastic. Really one all said and done was not bad at all. But u are right the dynas are the hardest of the models.
#22
04-21-2010, 08:26 AM
IIRC, The AT can move the AFR points up to 20% from initial base map location. (This delta from base location is called "offset") You should start with a base map relatively close to what your engine config needs, so that the AT doesn't have to push the points so far. The movement is somewhat gradual so it takes some time and you dont want to start out way too lean or rich. You want to start as close as you can.
The way it works in practice for the DIY person is to start with a base map from the big list they offer. They list will not likely have the exact pipes you have but you grab the closest map from the list. [engine type, size, injectors, exhaust] Then you push the map to the bike from your PC. Then you ride a few times and the autotuner moves the AFR points from the base locations as you ride.
After a few rides you hook up to PC and you can see where the AT has moved the AFR points off the base locations, and how far. You can mess with the offsets by hand if you want, or just make (and save to PC) a new base map out of the current settings. This takes the current offsets and makes a new base map out of current location - and zeros the offsets. Then the tuner goes on from there, and if needed will move the AFR points again.
Hope that helps.
Dan
The way it works in practice for the DIY person is to start with a base map from the big list they offer. They list will not likely have the exact pipes you have but you grab the closest map from the list. [engine type, size, injectors, exhaust] Then you push the map to the bike from your PC. Then you ride a few times and the autotuner moves the AFR points from the base locations as you ride.
After a few rides you hook up to PC and you can see where the AT has moved the AFR points off the base locations, and how far. You can mess with the offsets by hand if you want, or just make (and save to PC) a new base map out of the current settings. This takes the current offsets and makes a new base map out of current location - and zeros the offsets. Then the tuner goes on from there, and if needed will move the AFR points again.
Hope that helps.
Dan
#23
04-21-2010, 08:31 AM
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You're doing the same thing with this kit that you would be doing with say, a power commander it seems by downloading new maps,etc.
#24
04-21-2010, 08:34 AM
So, if you just bought a bike and are planning on cams and bb,etc this doesn't seem to be the best option because in the end you still need new maps and/or a tune.
You're doing the same thing with this kit that you would be doing with say, a power commander it seems by downloading new maps,etc.
You're doing the same thing with this kit that you would be doing with say, a power commander it seems by downloading new maps,etc.
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04-21-2010, 08:44 AM
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I'm not dissing it just really trying to understand the benefits of using this particular device.
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04-21-2010, 08:47 AM
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#28
04-21-2010, 10:05 AM
dont know where to start. Maybe its because I am a computer professional but this unit is easy to install and work with. I like to tinker, and in some of the reviews it did state that if you do not like to play with your bike maybe look elsewhere. But this unit is very easy to tinker with if you understand air/fuel demands on a motor. Even if you dont it is fun to play with. I do have to disagree with almost everything you have said. You said you bought used, maybe it was damaged. But I bought mine used also, and have been entirely impressed with the unit. Everything t-max has said is true and the support is the best i have seen in any OEM situation. I am sure you can sell your t-max, then you can get your TTS. Would be a mistake, but go for it. Best of luck.
#29
04-21-2010, 10:38 AM
Tourer
dont know where to start. Maybe its because I am a computer professional but this unit is easy to install and work with. I like to tinker, and in some of the reviews it did state that if you do not like to play with your bike maybe look elsewhere. But this unit is very easy to tinker with if you understand air/fuel demands on a motor. Even if you dont it is fun to play with. I do have to disagree with almost everything you have said. You said you bought used, maybe it was damaged. But I bought mine used also, and have been entirely impressed with the unit. Everything t-max has said is true and the support is the best i have seen in any OEM situation. I am sure you can sell your t-max, then you can get your TTS. Would be a mistake, but go for it. Best of luck.
#30
04-21-2010, 01:18 PM
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Did one of you indicate you are unhappy with the system? PM me ... I might want to make an offer ....
I am currently running a 'piggy-back' fuel optimizer system and I've never had it professionally tuned (just SWAGged it my own self) ... seems to have made a positive impact (judging by the decrease in MPG!
); but, I am thinking of making the switch to a 'closed loop' system and have gotten a few solid recommendations to install T-Max, recently.
Also, notwithstanding a few 'down-ticks' from a couple of you, sounds like the consensus is that it is a pretty good system.
I had been contemplating going with the TTS until recently ... I had not previously understood that the T-Max was a total replacement for the ECM and that I could add O2 to my pre-'06 bike.
Any other thoughts ... or considerations I should bear in mind ...?
R/
'Chop
I am currently running a 'piggy-back' fuel optimizer system and I've never had it professionally tuned (just SWAGged it my own self) ... seems to have made a positive impact (judging by the decrease in MPG!
); but, I am thinking of making the switch to a 'closed loop' system and have gotten a few solid recommendations to install T-Max, recently.Also, notwithstanding a few 'down-ticks' from a couple of you, sounds like the consensus is that it is a pretty good system.
I had been contemplating going with the TTS until recently ... I had not previously understood that the T-Max was a total replacement for the ECM and that I could add O2 to my pre-'06 bike.
Any other thoughts ... or considerations I should bear in mind ...?
R/
'Chop