S&S v96 vs v111 Pros and Cons
#11
10-07-2016, 12:32 PM
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Hillside, thanks for the info. What was the reason for going with the hot 96 over more cubes in the build you mentioned? Was it an evo or twin cam? I would love to keep my stock case but I'm told the cases do not hold up that well to boring, so for the money I'm better off buying an s&s crate motor to use as a starting point. My shop recommends doing an 89, or just an 80 with top shelf headwork and an aggressive cam, if I want to keep the stock case.
Next In Line - The 143 is a twin cam. From what I understand the way the tc connects to the tranny solves one of the major weak links with big inch evos. I have some Big Bear parts on my build now, and I spoke with them once about the choice between the 111 and the 124 evos in their bikes. I got the impression that between those, for most applications, they like the 111 better for reliability reasons and less vibration.
Next In Line - The 143 is a twin cam. From what I understand the way the tc connects to the tranny solves one of the major weak links with big inch evos. I have some Big Bear parts on my build now, and I spoke with them once about the choice between the 111 and the 124 evos in their bikes. I got the impression that between those, for most applications, they like the 111 better for reliability reasons and less vibration.
You shouldn't worry too much about cubic inches. A well built 95" will walk all over a stock 103" any day of the week.
#12
10-07-2016, 12:48 PM
That said, a built 103" will leave a built 95" provided both have similar types of upgrades...
OP-
No free lunch. You beat on your bike, something will break.
At least when I drag race mine, I know that going in so when **** goes south, it's not a suprise. That said, I have been damn lucky so far with my 126"....
Knock on wood.
#13
10-07-2016, 11:54 PM
For anyone who has ridden both, leaving aside vibration, does the 96 stroker have a different feel to its power delivery than the 111 square engine? From everything I've read and heard from people, I'm pretty sure that for a touring application, the 111 would be the better choice. But I haven't been able to get a sense of which one would be more fun to ride like a hooligan. Any thoughts?
If I can get my bike to run high 11s in the quarter with a 96, that won't be enough to pull on the ducatis, but it's definitely enough to ride together.
PW - how extreme was your 96 build to run those times?
Anyone have a sense of what an FXR with the 111 will run for a 1/4 mile?
If I can get my bike to run high 11s in the quarter with a 96, that won't be enough to pull on the ducatis, but it's definitely enough to ride together.
PW - how extreme was your 96 build to run those times?
Anyone have a sense of what an FXR with the 111 will run for a 1/4 mile?
#14
10-07-2016, 11:59 PM
San Diego Customs sells an oil pan for a twin cam engine that makes it fit in an FXR frame, but if I remember right I think it's like $2k. If you don't go that route, you have to modify the frame. I know a shop in Queens that has done it if you're near NYC, and there are a few cali shops that I'm sure could do it if you are on the west coast.
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#15
10-08-2016, 01:01 AM
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#16
10-08-2016, 09:13 AM
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Some like to think that longer stroke motors make more torque but it's really displacement that makes torque.
#17
10-08-2016, 04:26 PM
I also remember when a 5" stroke arm "torque monster" motor, was all the rage 20 years ago...
#18
10-08-2016, 08:05 PM
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I suspect that the idea of stroking to make more torque was really because it was about the only way you could get more displacement from early HD motors using stock cases.. The hot setup for early FLs was to use U / UL flywheels and go 0.060 over.
#19
10-08-2016, 10:50 PM
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I had to put a new crank in my 80"er. Sheared the crank pin. High compression and high end power equals broken parts....Anyways
I Found a good used 4 5/8" S$S crank, purchased a new S$S 96" SideWinder kit and a less aggressive W6H cam. My static compression comes in at 9.6: with Hillside 81.5 cc stage II heads and a S$S E carb. I don't think there is a stock OEM Harley that can touch it... Except the V-rod. I am very happy with the way it pulls. Torque is where it's at.. 108/88 I'm happy...
I Found a good used 4 5/8" S$S crank, purchased a new S$S 96" SideWinder kit and a less aggressive W6H cam. My static compression comes in at 9.6: with Hillside 81.5 cc stage II heads and a S$S E carb. I don't think there is a stock OEM Harley that can touch it... Except the V-rod. I am very happy with the way it pulls. Torque is where it's at.. 108/88 I'm happy...
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