44CV carb for my 95ci build?
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Im looking into various cams right now. I know people are high on woods and S&S. Im just a die hard andrews guy. If Im swapping cams, im sticking with andrews.
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Ed can you elaborate on the "timing affect fuel on a carb but fuel doesn't affect timing."
If i advance timing to get a more aggressive spark, wouldn't i need more fuel to avoid pinging?
So right now im overly rich on the jets and aggressive on the spark. When i lean out this carb. Say to a 48 idle and a 205 main. I would need to retard timing a little to avoid issues?
Thanks so much for everybody's input. I really appreciate all the replies.
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Here is a copy of the dyno graph. Cell phone picture, sorry for the poor quality. You can see the AF ratio hardly made a move. It was so long ago my memory is hazy on what the jetting was on "run 002" i want to say possibly a 220?? But "run 010" had the 235 main jet in it.
I was in the room while the dyno runs were being performed and was changing jets and tweaking the carb as we went. You are right Ed, we were taking stabs at tuning the carb based off the AF ratio shown on the dyno and doing some spark plug reading. Now at the time we were unaware the sniffer was giving faulty readings. But the AF ratio was mainly what we were looking at. After all the input here Im fairly certain im over jetted. I will be making changes to the jetting here soon.
Ed can you elaborate on the "timing affect fuel on a carb but fuel doesn't affect timing."
If i advance timing to get a more aggressive spark, wouldn't i need more fuel to avoid pinging?
So right now im overly rich on the jets and aggressive on the spark. When i lean out this carb. Say to a 48 idle and a 205 main. I would need to retard timing a little to avoid issues?
Thanks so much for everybody's input. I really appreciate all the replies.
We do not "fuel" a bike, to compensate for advanced timing, and vice versa, here.
The engine will alert us as to where it wants to be timed, and it's fuel needs.
Scott
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5225 SOUTH MAIN ST., MUNNSVILLE, N.Y. 13409
Sales/Support 315-495-6650
www.hillsidecycle.com
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Complete H-D Machine Shop
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yes i did mean to say a 185 jet to start with. a lot of folks think once they get there heads ported they need huge jets. there is not enough work done to that motor to need a lot of extra fuel. if you are using plug reading to dial the carb in then you should know that extra fat and lean will have the same color on the plugs, none. when they are to fat they was the plug clean so it looks like it may be lean but it is just too fat. give it a try you might be surprised.
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Just so you know you can judge an a/f mixture just by looking at the plugs... But not by the way we used to do it by checking the amount of deposit on the porcelain. The ring that surrounds the porcelain that has the electrode welded to it will show wether it's lean or rich. It will also tell if it's too hot or cold of a plug....
Last edited by 98hotrodfatboy; 02-22-2018 at 08:46 AM.
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all depends upon what you are looking for. the engine is an air pump and is finite in flow.
nascars run 750cfm unit and make 800hp easily. so if you put this on a beater, the housewife in a mini van smokes you why?
too many factors but largely how the machine is built. a race car is usually geared low so the engine comes up to speed quickly and pretty much stays there as there is little rpm drop between gears. what this does is make the flow through the carb high which leads to torque. your beater isn't like that so it bogs at throttle and loses torque till engine rpm brings up velocity the carb needs and you are not geared down so granny in the mini is matched from the factory and smokes you.
now on the flip, the carb can act as a restrictor plate and keep hp down since it can not supply the air pumps demand.
on jetting, be careful as the saying goes, lean is mean and it screams. you can cook your engine quickly so an err to the rich is not so bad.
for grins and giggles: on my sport, i run the 40 and yes, i could benefit form a larger carb as mine does act as a restrictor. i can pull up to speed but have more to go which if i have open road, rpm will slowly pull up, mine is built for top end and yep i lose a tad on the low but really not notice-able since the transmission is geared down to pull the international gearing.
nascars run 750cfm unit and make 800hp easily. so if you put this on a beater, the housewife in a mini van smokes you why?
too many factors but largely how the machine is built. a race car is usually geared low so the engine comes up to speed quickly and pretty much stays there as there is little rpm drop between gears. what this does is make the flow through the carb high which leads to torque. your beater isn't like that so it bogs at throttle and loses torque till engine rpm brings up velocity the carb needs and you are not geared down so granny in the mini is matched from the factory and smokes you.
now on the flip, the carb can act as a restrictor plate and keep hp down since it can not supply the air pumps demand.
on jetting, be careful as the saying goes, lean is mean and it screams. you can cook your engine quickly so an err to the rich is not so bad.
for grins and giggles: on my sport, i run the 40 and yes, i could benefit form a larger carb as mine does act as a restrictor. i can pull up to speed but have more to go which if i have open road, rpm will slowly pull up, mine is built for top end and yep i lose a tad on the low but really not notice-able since the transmission is geared down to pull the international gearing.
Last edited by bustert; 02-26-2018 at 10:34 AM.