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Harl36 11-25-2023 08:41 AM

2022 fat bob possible stage 2 which exhaust? Is stage 2 worth it?
 
Hey guys I’ve been following these threads for quite awhile. I just got a 2022 fat bob I’ll link a pic, thinking about doing a stage 2 (not fully sure if it’s worth it) I’ll eventually jump up to a street or road glide. I just came from riding a sport bike all my life. I was told I need a 2-1 exhaust for the full effect of the cam, so I’m curious which exhaust you think would be best for performance and if I should go stainless steel, black ceramic or black chrome. I was told red shift 472 cam would be the way to go. Thanks for the help.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.hdf...40f851649.jpeg

luckiestiff 11-26-2023 06:05 PM

I'm a fan of SP Concepts Exhaust just received my lanesplitter for the lowrider ST, high quality exhaust at a reasonable price.

Harl36 11-26-2023 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by luckiestiff (Post 21467649)
I'm a fan of SP Concepts Exhaust just received my lanesplitter for the lowrider ST, high quality exhaust at a reasonable price.

was told I need a long 2-1 pipe not a shorty or medium for max power and torque from it

luckiestiff 11-26-2023 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Harl36 (Post 21467670)
was told I need a long 2-1 pipe not a shorty or medium for max power and torque from it

Not sure where you heard that, and I'm not an exhaust engineer by any stretch of the imagination, but just about every good performing 2 into 1 for the M8 is short to mid length. That's got to say something. Maybe give Fuel Moto a call and talk to them about what you're trying to acheive, they'll give it to you straight on cam, intake, pipe, etc.

60Gunner 11-28-2023 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by luckiestiff (Post 21467692)
Not sure where you heard that, and I'm not an exhaust engineer by any stretch of the imagination, but just about every good performing 2 into 1 for the M8 is short to mid length. That's got to say something. Maybe give Fuel Moto a call and talk to them about what you're trying to acheive, they'll give it to you straight on cam, intake, pipe, etc.

What exhaust do you consider most of the best performing?
Also one of the best performing exhaust for an M8 is a 212. The FM X pipe with Khromewerks HP+ mufflers will outperform many 2in1s. Especially short ones.
Does this look short?
https://www.westendmotorsports.com/d...rome-or-black/

Originally Posted by Harl36 (Post 21465749)
Hey guys I’ve been following these threads for quite awhile. I just got a 2022 fat bob I’ll link a pic, thinking about doing a stage 2 (not fully sure if it’s worth it) I’ll eventually jump up to a street or road glide. I just came from riding a sport bike all my life. I was told I need a 2-1 exhaust for the full effect of the cam, so I’m curious which exhaust you think would be best for performance and if I should go stainless steel, black ceramic or black chrome. I was told red shift 472 cam would be the way to go. Thanks for the help.

Who said the the 472 was the way to go and why?


That SP concepts sounds like a short pipe and struggles in the lower rpms. Most short pipes do.
Sound is subjective and short pipes like this sound like ass imo and certainly aren't necessary for good performance.

The Rush Wrath will sound good and perform well if you want a 2in1. So will some other good long pipes.
Stick with a longer pipe.
The stock decatted head pipes and a good pair of slip ons like the HP+ will do better than you think too.

That 472 is an ok cam. Take a look at the TTS 175.
Here it is with a 212 exhaust. Fullsac head pipe with 2" Fullsac cores in the stock mufflers.
A torque curve to die for...
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https://i.ibb.co/gMghRWQ/images-2.jpg

There's my :icon_twocents::icon_twocents:.



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Harl36 11-29-2023 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by 60Gunner (Post 21470334)
What exhaust do you consider most of the best performing?
Also one of the best performing exhaust for an M8 is a 212. The FM X pipe with Khromewerks HP+ mufflers will outperform many 2in1s. Especially short ones.
Does this look short?
https://www.westendmotorsports.com/d...rome-or-black/


Who said the the 472 was the way to go and why?


That SP concepts sounds like a short pipe and struggles in the lower rpms. Most short pipes do.
Sound is subjective and short pipes like this sound like ass imo and certainly aren't necessary for good performance.
youtu.be/uJmx-lNkLe8?si=GDO7qThMD5enhqHq

The Rush Wrath will sound good and perform well if you want a 2in1. So will some other good long pipes.
Stick with a longer pipe.
The stock decatted head pipes and a good pair of slip ons like the HP+ will do better than you think too.

That 472 is an ok cam. Take a look at the TTS 175.
Here it is with a 212 exhaust. Fullsac head pipe with 2" Fullsac cores in the stock mufflers.
A torque curve to die for...
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https://i.ibb.co/gMghRWQ/images-2.jpg

There's my :icon_twocents::icon_twocents:.



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thanks for the insight I heard from a few people who tune and what not that the redshift 472 is a great all around cam for low end torque and still holds in the higher end also. That and the redshift 468 for all low end torque.

luckiestiff 11-29-2023 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by 60Gunner (Post 21470334)
What exhaust do you consider most of the best performing?
Also one of the best performing exhaust for an M8 is a 212. The FM X pipe with Khromewerks HP+ mufflers will outperform many 2in1s. Especially short ones.
Does this look short?
https://www.westendmotorsports.com/d...rome-or-black/


Who said the the 472 was the way to go and why?


That SP concepts sounds like a short pipe and struggles in the lower rpms. Most short pipes do.
Sound is subjective and short pipes like this sound like ass imo and certainly aren't necessary for good performance.
youtu.be/uJmx-lNkLe8?si=GDO7qThMD5enhqHq

The Rush Wrath will sound good and perform well if you want a 2in1. So will some other good long pipes.
Stick with a longer pipe.
The stock decatted head pipes and a good pair of slip ons like the HP+ will do better than you think too.

That 472 is an ok cam. Take a look at the TTS 175.
Here it is with a 212 exhaust. Fullsac head pipe with 2" Fullsac cores in the stock mufflers.
A torque curve to die for...
​​​​​​




https://i.ibb.co/gMghRWQ/images-2.jpg

There's my :icon_twocents::icon_twocents:.



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I love my lanesplitter, that being said I'm not looking for crazy amounts of HP out of my bike. The SP exhaust came highly recommended from someone whose opinion I value more than just about anyone. I'm sure there's "better" systems out there but for the $$$ it's hard to beat the SP products. What would you recommend?

MattLS6 11-29-2023 09:47 AM

These bikes respond very well to stage 2. Whether it’s worth it is up to you. Maybe not worth it to a guy who is making payments on his bike still, maybe worth it to a guy with cash to spend. Coming from a sport bike I am sure you will welcome the additional power.

472 would probably be a great all around cam. There’s an abundance of good choices available.

Your pipe is a shit performer (have it on one of my Softails) so I do think it’s wise to change it when going stage 2. Freedom sharp curve radius or radical radius are the best performing 2 into 2 pipes for the M8 that I’ve seen and used. 2 into 1 wise it seems D&D (forget which model) is towards the top of the heap. The S&S super street is damn good too. Lotta boutique 2 into 1 pipes out there which work fine at stage 1 but then like shit once a cam with overlap is introduced into the equation.

Harl36 11-29-2023 09:53 AM

https://www.westendmotorsports.com/b...iABEgIPJ_D_BwE

I ended up going with a bassani 2-1 pipe I heard bassani is a great pipe. Lanesplitter might be to loud for my neighborhood lol

MattLS6 11-29-2023 10:14 AM

I previously had the Bassani on my 122”. Nice looking pipe, will look great on your bike. Will show a low end dip but will make good power. One of the better 2 into 1 pipes I’d say. I hated the sound but that’s super subjective.

Harl36 11-29-2023 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by MattLS6 (Post 21470811)
I previously had the Bassani on my 122”. Nice looking pipe, will look great on your bike. Will show a low end dip but will make good power. One of the better 2 into 1 pipes I’d say. I hated the sound but that’s super subjective.

was going to go for the 2-1 super street or the Sawicki but I heard that that point it’s splitting hairs they’re all so similar

60Gunner 11-29-2023 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by luckiestiff (Post 21470730)
I love my lanesplitter, that being said I'm not looking for crazy amounts of HP out of my bike. The SP exhaust came highly recommended from someone whose opinion I value more than just about anyone. I'm sure there's "better" systems out there but for the $$$ it's hard to beat the SP products. What would you recommend?

For a 2in1? The Rush Wrath like I said. The Dragos Dragula is another and basically a modified Wrath. The Thunderheader does well and sounds good but is cheaply constructed and won't last.
Personally I'd be looking at an X pipe with the Khromewerks HP+ mufflers. They will do as well if not better than most 2in1s and have the best sound I've ever heard on a Harley and very high quality construction.
A good set of true duals with stepped head pipes work well too with the right mufflers.

It's not the hp that sucks with short megaphones. It's the low end. That and they sound like shit imo. Like a loud crotch rocket. Look like one too.
If you want a shorter pipe and don't mind stainless, take a look at Thrashin'. Personally I think it's ugly but performs well and the different baffle/end cap combos allows it to be customized for the build.

Harl36 11-29-2023 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by 60Gunner (Post 21471339)
For a 2in1? The Rush Wrath like I said. The Dragos Dragula is another and basically a modified Wrath. The Thunderheader does well and sounds good but is cheaply constructed and won't last.
Personally I'd be looking at an X pipe with the Khromewerks HP+ mufflers. They will do as well if not better than most 2in1s and have the best sound I've ever heard on a Harley and very high quality construction.
A good set of true duals with stepped head pipes work well too with the right mufflers.

It's not the hp that sucks with short megaphones. It's the low end. That and they sound like shit imo. Like a loud crotch rocket. Look like one too.
If you want a shorter pipe and don't mind stainless, take a look at Thrashin'. Personally I think it's ugly but performs well and the different baffle/end cap combos allows it to be customized for the build.

im looking for the rush wrath and khromewerks but only seeing it for touring bikes not the fat bob. Can you send links? Thank you

60Gunner 11-29-2023 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Harl36 (Post 21471362)
im looking for the rush wrath and khromewerks but only seeing it for touring bikes not the fat bob. Can you send links? Thank you

I forgot you were on a softail. So am I. Unfortunately choices are limited. Cross under x pipes don't work. I'm in a twin cam build and run the Bassani Pro Streets. One of the few TDs that do well because of the stepped head pipes. They make them for M8s too.
The stock headpipes and slip ons like the Khromewerks or Rush do well. M8s and Twin Cams.
I would call Rush. Pretty sure they have a 2in1.

The Fatcat works.
https://danddexhaust.com/2018-2019-W...ail-M8-Fat-Cat

Thrashin' Exhaust has these TDs and a 2in1 that works well. The use the same

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Harl36 11-30-2023 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by 60Gunner (Post 21471540)
I forgot you were on a softail. So am I. Unfortunately choices are limited. Cross under x pipes don't work. I'm in a twin cam build and run the Bassani Pro Streets. One of the few TDs that do well because of the stepped head pipes. They make them for M8s too.
The stock headpipes and slip ons like the Khromewerks or Rush do well. M8s and Twin Cams.
I would call Rush. Pretty sure they have a 2in1.

The Fatcat works.
https://danddexhaust.com/2018-2019-W...ail-M8-Fat-Cat

Thrashin' Exhaust has these TDs and a 2in1 that works well. The use the same

Youtu.be/Up0_Aoxcowo
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yea heard d&d is great but I heard bassani great to am I better just sticking with the bassani 2-1. I mean the differences are probably so little hairs at that point, plus the black chrome would look good on my bike color scheme. What do ya think?

https://www.westendmotorsports.com/b...iABEgIPJ_D_BwE


60Gunner 12-01-2023 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by Harl36 (Post 21471632)
yea heard d&d is great but I heard bassani great to am I better just sticking with the bassani 2-1. I mean the differences are probably so little hairs at that point, plus the black chrome would look good on my bike color scheme. What do ya think?

https://www.westendmotorsports.com/b...iABEgIPJ_D_BwE

The differences between the fatcat and that megaphone are a lot. The only thing they have in common us they're both 2in1s.
What do I think? There's another thread talking about the road rage 3 megaphone and someone who ran it says you can expect low end reversion with it. You're not better off. Buying an exhaust for looks is not better off but it's your bike. The fatcat will outperform it every time.

Harl36 12-01-2023 04:00 AM


Originally Posted by 60Gunner (Post 21472951)
What do I think? There's another thread talking about the road rage and someone who ran it says you can bet on low end reversion with it. You're not better off. Buying an exhaust for looks is not better off but it's your bike. The fatcat will outperform every time.

https://danddexhaust.com/2018-2019-W...ail-M8-Fat-Cat

so I guess get this bad boy in all black call it a day.

MattLS6 12-01-2023 06:53 AM

Not sure where in NY you are but if anywhere near Jersey…saw this on FB this morning. Seems to be around the Deptford area which is down towards Philly.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.hdf...eab8091451.png


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