Cam only question
#1
Cam only question
Greetings all:
2007 Street Bob, Doherty powerpacc intake, V&H slipons on stock headers, Mastertune TTS tuner. All different types of riding, including one or two tours a year. I live at 5,000 feet above sea level.
This winter I'm planning on installing Andrews 48h cams. I'm probably reusing the stock push-rods, as I'm probably replacing the rocker box covers.
While I have the rockerboxes off, should I go ahead and pull the heads and install cometic 30 head gaskets for better squish?
Thanks
Crazy
2007 Street Bob, Doherty powerpacc intake, V&H slipons on stock headers, Mastertune TTS tuner. All different types of riding, including one or two tours a year. I live at 5,000 feet above sea level.
This winter I'm planning on installing Andrews 48h cams. I'm probably reusing the stock push-rods, as I'm probably replacing the rocker box covers.
While I have the rockerboxes off, should I go ahead and pull the heads and install cometic 30 head gaskets for better squish?
Thanks
Crazy
#2
Put the wrench down and move away from the rocker box covers.Once those babies are off you can't resist the temptation to go all in, meaning: 103"-107 pistons and cylinders, headwork that will have your head spinning, it goes on and on. Cam only upgrades are unsubstantiated rumors. Imagine going into a strip joint and leaving as soon as the 1st chick takes her top off....that's a cam only upgrade. To answer your question though, I think those cams require more compression so you should have the heads milled, cc'd while you're at it and may as well have them ported. While you have the heads off, those pistons keep staring at ya.....get my point? One of the boys will chime in with a technical analysis of your question. Good luck.
#4
There's a little more work to pull the heads vs just removing the rocker box covers. Pull the rocker covers and you can get away with propping the gas tank up, and you're there. Pull the heads, you need to remove the gas tank, horn, air cleaner, intake, exhaust, etc. Not suggesting it's not worth the effort, but it's a bit more work, and once the heads are off, you're exactly zero bolts and a couple of circlips away from pulling the pistons and jugs.
#5
Thanks, Boogaloo. I had spaced out the intake completely. As far as the tank goes, I was probably going to remove it anyway to get a little more paint work done. I figured I would have the AC and the exhaust off when I did the cams. That just leaves the horn and intake manifold/fuel injector. No big deal for the horn, and not too big of a deal for the intake. Still wondering if the .030 head gasket would be a good idea, as I heard it helps the squish. I know the 48h increases the cranking compression with the early intake close, so I don't want to bump the CR too high.
Still don't think I'll be tempted to mess with big bore or porting.
Crazy
Still don't think I'll be tempted to mess with big bore or porting.
Crazy
#6
That cam really needs more compression to come to life; the 255 would be a better choice for a cam only upgrade IMHO.
However, the 48 is perfect for a cam only upgrade in a 103". I would not pull the heads just to change the head gasket but if you go that far, you are only about another 30 minutes and $300 from a 103" upgrade. Then install the .030" head gasket and the 48s, get her tuned and let her rip.
In spite of what has been previously posted, cam only upgrades provide a noticeable improvement on the later models with the better breathing heads.
However, the 48 is perfect for a cam only upgrade in a 103". I would not pull the heads just to change the head gasket but if you go that far, you are only about another 30 minutes and $300 from a 103" upgrade. Then install the .030" head gasket and the 48s, get her tuned and let her rip.
In spite of what has been previously posted, cam only upgrades provide a noticeable improvement on the later models with the better breathing heads.
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Put the wrench down and move away from the rocker box covers.Once those babies are off you can't resist the temptation to go all in, meaning: 103"-107 pistons and cylinders, headwork that will have your head spinning, it goes on and on. Cam only upgrades are unsubstantiated rumors. Imagine going into a strip joint and leaving as soon as the 1st chick takes her top off....that's a cam only upgrade. To answer your question though, I think those cams require more compression so you should have the heads milled, cc'd while you're at it and may as well have them ported. While you have the heads off, those pistons keep staring at ya.....get my point? One of the boys will chime in with a technical analysis of your question. Good luck.
Wow .... what an analogy .... I never thought of it that way !!
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That cam really needs more compression to come to life; the 255 would be a better choice for a cam only upgrade IMHO.
However, the 48 is perfect for a cam only upgrade in a 103". I would not pull the heads just to change the head gasket but if you go that far, you are only about another 30 minutes and $300 from a 103" upgrade. Then install the .030" head gasket and the 48s, get her tuned and let her rip.
In spite of what has been previously posted, cam only upgrades provide a noticeable improvement on the later models with the better breathing heads.
However, the 48 is perfect for a cam only upgrade in a 103". I would not pull the heads just to change the head gasket but if you go that far, you are only about another 30 minutes and $300 from a 103" upgrade. Then install the .030" head gasket and the 48s, get her tuned and let her rip.
In spite of what has been previously posted, cam only upgrades provide a noticeable improvement on the later models with the better breathing heads.
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#10
Thanks, Boogaloo. I had spaced out the intake completely. As far as the tank goes, I was probably going to remove it anyway to get a little more paint work done. I figured I would have the AC and the exhaust off when I did the cams. That just leaves the horn and intake manifold/fuel injector. No big deal for the horn, and not too big of a deal for the intake. Still wondering if the .030 head gasket would be a good idea, as I heard it helps the squish. I know the 48h increases the cranking compression with the early intake close, so I don't want to bump the CR too high.
Still don't think I'll be tempted to mess with big bore or porting.
Crazy
Still don't think I'll be tempted to mess with big bore or porting.
Crazy