Originally Posted by Dane M

I don't get why people are still debating counter steering...

Originally Posted by IdahoHacker

Oh, I don't think they are. Well, not in this thread anyway. I've certainly seen it elsewhere.

The issue with this thread is mainly just interchangeably using multiple different phrases all starting with the word "counter...something". That's what gets beginners confused.

Originally Posted by 0maha

I'm glad I learned how to ride before I knew any of this stuff.

Originally Posted by Dane M

^ all that stuff.

Here's a picture of some moto GP guys, see how they're trying to keep their heads as level as they can. But the trick is you still have to look through your turns, the most common good advise I've heard is point your chin to your mirror. Just do that normally when riding and it helps with CG a lot because you naturally shift your weight. Just like when you learned to ride a bicycle and everyone told you to "look where you want to turn"

Originally Posted by kojak

Here is some. Yes, they have to keep their heads up but they are leaning to reduce the lean angle for the turn and have to adjust their line of sight because of that. Its not the cart before the horse