Future of Harley is electric
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Lots of interesting opinions on this thread, mostly incorrect ones. I hate to disappoint, but the future is already here:
"Global electric car registrations increased 55% to 3.2M in 2017, according to research firm ZSW.
Registrations in China topped 1M for the first time.
Top EV registrations by automaker: BYD ([[BYDFFF]], OTCPK:BYDDY) 99,870 units, BAIC Group (OTC:BCCMY, OTCPK:BMCLF) 96,670 units, Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) 86,770 units, BMW 67,940 units, Volkswagen (OTCPK:VLKAY) 52,520 units, Toyota
(NYSE:TM) 49,860 units.
Source: Bloomberg"
Note especially Toyota-so much for the much-vaunted H2 fuel cell powered Mirai.
I stated earlier on this thread that I (mostly) believe what I see with my own eyes, and I see around me every day-more and more BEV's, mostly Teslas and BMWs, a few Bolts here and there (I'm not counting hybrids (PHEVs-lots of those around!).
And there are AT LEAST 3 brands of motorcycles you can walk into a dealership and buy one today-Energica, KTM, and Zero. More, many more, including the MoCo will HAVE to follow.
"Global electric car registrations increased 55% to 3.2M in 2017, according to research firm ZSW.
Registrations in China topped 1M for the first time.
Top EV registrations by automaker: BYD ([[BYDFFF]], OTCPK:BYDDY) 99,870 units, BAIC Group (OTC:BCCMY, OTCPK:BMCLF) 96,670 units, Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) 86,770 units, BMW 67,940 units, Volkswagen (OTCPK:VLKAY) 52,520 units, Toyota
(NYSE:TM) 49,860 units.
Source: Bloomberg"
Note especially Toyota-so much for the much-vaunted H2 fuel cell powered Mirai.
I stated earlier on this thread that I (mostly) believe what I see with my own eyes, and I see around me every day-more and more BEV's, mostly Teslas and BMWs, a few Bolts here and there (I'm not counting hybrids (PHEVs-lots of those around!).
And there are AT LEAST 3 brands of motorcycles you can walk into a dealership and buy one today-Energica, KTM, and Zero. More, many more, including the MoCo will HAVE to follow.
Corporate fleet purchases by outfits needing to reduce their carbon footprints and "China", with its unique punitive policies toward gasoline powered vehicles and enforced patronage of domestic products are what are called statistical outliers and don't reflect true public demand for EV's. Corrected for these factors, (no I haven't done the math), you could safely say that "consumer-based" EV registrations probably made up for 10%, at best, (certainly not 20%), of the 15.5 million new registrations in 2017. You've also got to be careful about "snapshot" data relating to a particular time period, (year), as that too could be an anomoly. Commercial fleets, for example, having met quotas for emission reductions, may not be making new purchases as aggressively going forward. In China, 1.7 million of the EV's registered in 2017 were produced domestically and include buses and commercial trucks. This, again, makes Chinese EV's an anomoly as Government fiat has a huge influence on consumer decisions. Toyota, in China for instance virtually stopped selling overnight over a territorial dispute involving a tiny Pacific island. In China, one is careful to follow policy regardless of personal desire. I worked there for over 5 years and can attest to this too.
Not knocking your post bro but Bloomberg is not one to let things like conventional approaches to statistical context get in the way of his narratives. Its the same as with data related to gun violence. The resulting statistics, when you don't omit outliers like Chicago's strictly gang related violence, overstate risks faced by the public in general and children (under 19 yo) in particular. In the same way, this Bloomberg EV data "no doubt" gives an overstated impression of the popularity of EV's with consumers. Lastly, EV purchases are blessed with massive government subsidies. This directly skews the data toward greater, (and false), consumer demand for a price sensitive product.
All of this notwithstanding, Elon Musk remains a conman.
Last edited by HKMark23; 02-27-2018 at 02:17 AM.
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you posted this "All of this notwithstanding, Elon Musk remains a conman."
Not at all the guy did a deal with our SA Government for a a complete power deal http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-2...-in-sa/9183868 in 100 days or it would be free,or it would be free was the proviso and he got it running ahead of schedule ,it is a great deal and it's stopped peak usage black outs and brown outs already to tens thousands of homes,and kept businesses from losses through power outages too , it is a fantastic thing .
So yea who is the con here ?
Not at all the guy did a deal with our SA Government for a a complete power deal http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-2...-in-sa/9183868 in 100 days or it would be free,or it would be free was the proviso and he got it running ahead of schedule ,it is a great deal and it's stopped peak usage black outs and brown outs already to tens thousands of homes,and kept businesses from losses through power outages too , it is a fantastic thing .
So yea who is the con here ?
#63
General Opinion: The ol US of A used to be the world leader in basic research....places like Bell Labs and others. All they did was to figure out cool stuff.....whether it paid off was not the prime motivation. In the 80s we lost that distinction to Japan...never got it back. The bottom line became the prime motivation....and honestly sometimes discoveries from pure research surprises in ways not visualized....just sayin.
The world used to look to us for innovation, especially in the 50s and 60’s. You nailed here with the “bottom line” being a driver. And those whose bottom line is most powerful drive the discussion. The Onion did a satirical piece a while back that sums this up well.
https://politics.theonion.com/in-the...rth-1819595044
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