Nullify Fines for loud mufflers: AB 1824 in California. Your Support is Needed
 

Let's help out our California brothers and sisters with the b.s. exhaust law...

https://www.change.org/p/nullify-fin...-in-california

Just another way for the gov. to get your cash.

As much as I love a good rumble as well, and HATE over-regulation which is unfortunately our way of life in California, I'm in agreement here. Drives me nuts when idiots feel the need to call attention to themselves by infringing on others. I used to ride with a guy who had V&H long shots on his FatBoy and LOVED to be a show-off, so he'd hit the throttle real hard whenever pulling out of bars/restaurants/etc. It was obnoxious, embarrassing and is probably the main reason why riding with him is past-tense.

The first three replies for the quieter exhaust......pay attention, pilgrim it's a small wonder why the laws are changing. Folks are tired of the wild bunch raising hell in their communities.

I wish you good luck in getting others to help on this issue. let's see how ABATE is going to help out, NOT!!!!

You get what you vote for, if you vote.

I am perfectly fine with government making money off of people with excessively loud vehicles.
Even vehicles with no mufflers can be operated fairly quietly if you try.
Now, if you want to be the person that makes as much noise as possible to draw attention to them selves in an urban environment, then maybe you need to pay a noise tax.

The regulations are not clear and this rule gives the LEO carte blanche reason to pull you over for no reason. The true focus is on the whistler pipes and street racers or so they say, but it only takes one small town sheriff to decide to pull groups of bikes over and ticket them for pipes without any other reason to pull them over. Or too sit outside events and tag everyone.

It is an over reach and seriously a 1000.00 is steep. For years, this was a simple fix it ticket.

I am not advocating for loud pipes, but for better written rules. What if I am out riding my 1946EL. That bike is pretty loud since the pipes are simply pipes; not mufflers. And what about my 2001 EVO with a basic aftermarket pipe. They used to pull you over on certain roads in CA back in the early 2000s and ticket you for pipes. And it was a fix it ticket, but you could spend two hours waiting in line at the top of hgwy 9 and 35 as they would set up the sting and pull everyone over into a line at the stop sign. Took forever too and would ruin your day if you were in row of 75 bikes. Simply, not fun. Back then the word simply got out and folks quit riding those scenic areas. After a time, the local eateries and pubs bitched up a storm and they stopped harassing motorcycles.

For those in other states you could be next. Think about that.

And what if this was a helmet law discussion. What would your reaction be then...

Government making money? LOL.......Probably costs us $3 for every $1 that gets collected.

Wow
 

I didn't realize we had a Shakespeare in our midst.....but TriGeezer was very eloquent in a way I can not be...alas..

If you replace/modify your exhaust and exceed 80 dba, you risk being ticketed. No different when carb bikes were running drag pipes back in the day. 80 dba is not a lot though and I am sure that I exceed that.

I live in a small town but we have a lot of Harley's roll through here especially on the weekends. I have never heard of anyone I know get an excessive noise ticket. Glad I am not in CA

There's a guy who moved into our neighborhood about 2 years ago. He's got 2 Harleys and an old Dodge Ram. All three are obnoxiously loud and he loves to tear through the neighborhood and let everyone know how "cool" he is by rattling everyone's windows. I would love to watch the cops ticket that asshole.
F that guy and everyone else who does that shit.

Couple of issues raised in this thread:
what does 80 dba sound like?
how does a leo issue a loud exhaust ticket without measuring the noise?
if you get a noise ticket, contest it. The leo may not show up for court, case dismissed.
If the officer does show up, ask how the officer scientifically measured the noise you are accused of. Case should be dismissed without proof.
If you are found guilty, you can negotiate a lower fine and longer time and payments to pay. Just ask the judge.
if you are too poor to pay a fine in California, you can ask to do volunteer work. Just ask the judge.
People who didn't pay traffic fines in California received an automatic drivers lcense suspension. Not anymore.
If you receive a California income tax refund, your unpaid traffic ticket fine will be deducted out of the refund
California LEO's always had the option of issuing a non-correctible (or non-fixit ticket) mechanical violation ticket in Ca.

From the looks of things, a simple fix ticket has not been enough to get these people to comply. Maybe now that it is more expensive to get ticketed they will listen (if they still have any hearing left).

as I mentioned, a California leo has always had the discretion of not issuing a fix-it ticket for a mechanical violation
http://www.courts.ca.gov/9529.htm

I hate most laws, however I agree with most of the comments. I had a fat bob with short shots, loud and obnoxious when I wanted it to be. Maybe this law is for all those guys who have to blip the throttle at a stop light so their fuel injected motorcycle will stay running, Maybe it for the guys who ride through neighborhoods at midnight in 1st gear (grab another one fellas, she will still run), The guys who like to start the motorcycle at 3500 rpm. You can have a loud motorcycle or car or truck and still be considerate.

I think a fixit ticket may not do a lot to solve the problem as far as law enforcement goes. I think a common practice would be to put the stock exhaust back on for the CHP inspection. Then as soon as the violator gets home the after market pipes go back on. Original problem returns. Wouldn't work in the town where I live cops will keep track of you write you again and second time the fine gets expensive.
kk

and that's why Ca law allows non-correctable mechanical violation tickets. To make repeat offenders or Adam Henry's pay a fine instead of correcting the problem.
and some LEO's will write "correctable only by the issuing officer" on the back of the ticket if they want to see what and how it was fixed

That was my point. I didn't elaborate it very well.
kk

They just want yall to buy a Livewire.

2019 HD commercial in Cali.....
"And a Harley goes mmmmmmmmmmmm."

Probably because they caught on to the fact that people would temporarily correct them to get the ticket to go away, then put them back to how they were.

As so many of these posts indicate, it probably is obnoxious riders rather than obnoxious pipes that are the problem. How smart do you have to be to know that acting stupid when in residential neighborhoods or in normally quiet places harms all motorcyclists, especially Harley riders?

I'd say there are no obnoxious pipes, only obnoxious riders. A little common sense and courtesy goes a long way.

You are both absolutely correct.
kk

Would cost me more than the fine to buy a stock exhaust that it would to pay the fine lol

I paid $100 for a pair of take off slip ons for my bike. I modified those and left the OEM's factory stock. And then the modifications to the the take offs were just enough to get some sound but not so much as to bother anyone.
kk

Dance the dance Cali peasants. Obey your masters.

Well first off your 1946 EL has to meet pre 1970 noise requirements .

Second, the governor signed a law in 2012 banning motorcycle only checkpoints in California (VC 2814.1.(d).

Third, the actual fine for a first offense on the 16 year old noise law is $25.00.

Fourth, The law itself has not changed. It's been in place since 2003. Just the penalty has changed.

1. Dont be a jackoff with the throttle.
2. Stop voting in liberals and making them try to assume your gender and being offensive.

We shall see how much of an effect that this law has. Too early to tell currently.

The last time I told a judge I couldn't afford the ticket and asked if he could make other arrangements,
He offered to give me (and I quote) " Hard Time" in lieu of cash.
It was 35 years ago and the ticket was $485. ,I found the money after all!!!

Interesting how Canadian traffic law can punish you with jail time. California law identifies traffic offenses as infractions, only punishable with fines. Back in the day, I was in traffic court 3 times a week. I heard it all.

Isn't California great??? It's perfectly legal and acceptable to change your gender but God forbid you change out your muffler.

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And we have the winner!!